Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: questions about google/samus

So we don't have the right to even ask or wonder why is this so secret?..
Call me a moron but I don't find it justified to keep the memory initialisation code a "very close secret".
And I will not change my mind until I am presented with real arguments. (And this will never happen because this implies signing an NDA - and I will NEVER sign an NDA with Intel)
 Florentin

----- Mail d'origine -----
De: Vadim Bendebury 
À: Florentin Demetrescu 
Cc: Coreboot 
Envoyé: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:25:38 +0100 (CET)
Objet: Re: [coreboot] Re : Re: Re : Re: questions about google/samus

Guys, I don't speak for Ron but I don't find his comment (apparently
sent in a emailed to a few folks but then made public (sic!)) elitist,
it was a matter of fact question.

I have been with Chromebook program pretty much from the very
beginning, and I can tell you that the public availability of FSP and
Coreboot support at Intel could not have been dreamed of even three
years ago.

Also, it is quite common among the SOC vendors to keep the early
initialization and memory initialization code a very close secret.

My $.02 (which might become as valuable as EU.02 any time now :)

--vb

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:26 AM,   wrote:
> Ok Ron,
> We all recognise your efforts and don't deny that the question of the binary blobs" is a very complex and "politicaly hot" one..
> But (and I speak here from a STRICTLY personal point of view) it is the fashion you chose to lecture Paul than I found not very nice..
> I sense a trace of elitism in your atitude (like you "GODs" have the exclusive right to acces some secrets and we "mere mortals" have even no right to think about these "things"..) I for one cannot swallow that!..
> Just my 2 (euro-cents)
>  Florentin
>
> ----- Mail d'origine -----
> De: ron minnich 
> À: [e-mail], Coreboot 
> Envoyé: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:04:36 +0100 (CET)
> Objet: Re: [coreboot] Re : Re: questions about google/samus
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:41 AM  wrote:
> > Sorry Ron,
> > What is his crime?
> > Thought crime?..
> >  Florentin
>
> The problem with people making comments like this:
> > > Sadly, I don’t think Google has understood how much power they have over
> > > Intel with their Chromebook and Chromebox success. RAM initialization is
> > > for example still a BLOB
>
> is that people who don't know what's going on might take Paul's comments
> seriously, and the next thing we know we're seeing mistakes like the Purism
> laptop.
>
> It's also not very nice, given the amount of effort that we have made over
> the years to get the blobs opened up, for Paul to claim that we "don't
> understand how much power we have." Unless you've been involved in these
> discussions, you can't possibly understand how difficult they are.
>
> ron