Newbie Question

[mike hjorleifsson]

Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load times and
bios issues are reduced ?

Mike

[Ronald G. Minnich]

On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load times and
> bios issues are reduced ?

yes, indeed. Ollie Lho had linuxbios booting an sis 630 that immediately 
went into microwindows and then started up VNC -- in a few seconds. He 
demo'd this at ALS 2000.

We are following on this work to build thin clients, with Plan 9 thin 
clients as one possibility, although X11 will be first.

ron

[Adam Agnew]

In the interest of being really fast, and saving some binary size to boot,
i just want to point out DirectVNC
http://www.adam-lilienthal.de/directvnc/

On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> > Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load times and
> > bios issues are reduced ?
>
> yes, indeed. Ollie Lho had linuxbios booting an sis 630 that immediately
> went into microwindows and then started up VNC -- in a few seconds. He
> demo'd this at ALS 2000.
>
> We are following on this work to build thin clients, with Plan 9 thin
> clients as one possibility, although X11 will be first.
>
> ron
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[mike hjorleifsson]

Actually I need to run a citrix client...
Or could I setup a linux server as a "proxy" then use directvnc to that
server and run the citrix client from the server ?
This sounds like it could be hell though doing screen scrape after
screen scrape.

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Agnew [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:38 PM
To: Ronald G. Minnich
Cc: mike hjorleifsson; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Newbie Question

In the interest of being really fast, and saving some binary size to
boot, i just want to point out DirectVNC
http://www.adam-lilienthal.de/directvnc/

On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> > Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load times 
> > and bios issues are reduced ?
>
> yes, indeed. Ollie Lho had linuxbios booting an sis 630 that 
> immediately went into microwindows and then started up VNC -- in a few
> seconds. He demo'd this at ALS 2000.
>
> We are following on this work to build thin clients, with Plan 9 thin 
> clients as one possibility, although X11 will be first.
>
> ron
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail] 
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Andrew Ip]

Mike,
> Actually I need to run a citrix client...
> Or could I setup a linux server as a "proxy" then use directvnc to that
> server and run the citrix client from the server ?
> This sounds like it could be hell though doing screen scrape after
> screen scrape.

Actually we tried LinuxBIOS + etherboot + ltsp + rdesktop.  It gives
me a Win2000 terminal clients.  The funny part is Win2000 outside and
Linux inside.  I expect Citrix would be the same.

-Andrew

[ron minnich]

I think this 'remote desktop in a box' is an application for linuxbios 
that is just crying for someone to sell it as a turnkey system.

my $.02

ron

[MikeH]

add my .02
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ron minnich" 
To: "Andrew Ip" 
Cc: "mike hjorleifsson" ; "'Adam Agnew'"
; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
> I think this 'remote desktop in a box' is an application for linuxbios
> that is just crying for someone to sell it as a turnkey system.
>
> my $.02
>
> ron

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello again from Gregg C Levine
To quote a phrase that's even older then I am, "Count me in!".
Besides, on another Linux related list that I belong to, someone
suggested rebuilding the LTSP project for that processor. Of course,
since that design isn't as capable for being a fileserver, or a
terminal server, as an x86 configuration, and the same someone who
suggested, made that point....

Oh, and Mike, I'm based in Queens. Astoria to be exact.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:linuxbios-
> [e-mail]] On Behalf Of MikeH
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: ron minnich; Andrew Ip
> Cc: 'Adam Agnew'; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
> add my .02
>
> Mike Hjorleifsson
> Chief Operating Officer
> NetX, Inc.
> 1110 South Ave
> Staten Island, NY 10314
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> Fx: 718-247-1673
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ron minnich" 
> To: "Andrew Ip" 
> Cc: "mike hjorleifsson" ; "'Adam Agnew'"
> ; 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
> > I think this 'remote desktop in a box' is an application for

linuxbios
> > that is just crying for someone to sell it as a turnkey system.
> >
> > my $.02
> >
> > ron
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Adam Agnew]

In that case, maybe you should just try DirectFB + XDirectFB. It will get
you a rootless x server to live on top of DirectFB. And still with a
pretty small footprint.
www.directfb.org

There's also KDrive
http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html

Both can run a lot of X-Windows applications pretty much unchanged. On top
of that, directfb has gtk ported over to directfb, so gnome applications
can run easily too.

My main point is just that XFree86 is probably overkill for these
thin-client applications.

By the way, fbvnc is another framebuffer vnc client that wont need
directfb
http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/fbvnc.html

On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> Actually I need to run a citrix client...
> Or could I setup a linux server as a "proxy" then use directvnc to that
> server and run the citrix client from the server ?
> This sounds like it could be hell though doing screen scrape after
> screen scrape.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Agnew [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:38 PM
> To: Ronald G. Minnich
> Cc: mike hjorleifsson; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
>
> In the interest of being really fast, and saving some binary size to
> boot, i just want to point out DirectVNC
> http://www.adam-lilienthal.de/directvnc/
>
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> > > Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load times
> > > and bios issues are reduced ?
> >
> > yes, indeed. Ollie Lho had linuxbios booting an sis 630 that
> > immediately went into microwindows and then started up VNC -- in a few
> > seconds. He demo'd this at ALS 2000.
> >
> > We are following on this work to build thin clients, with Plan 9 thin
> > clients as one possibility, although X11 will be first.
> >
> > ron
> >
> > Linuxbios mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello again from Gregg C Levine
Adam, have you used the DirectVNC arrangement in your work? And how
well does it work?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:linuxbios-
> [e-mail]] On Behalf Of Adam Agnew
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:38 PM
> To: Ronald G. Minnich
> Cc: mike hjorleifsson; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
>
> In the interest of being really fast, and saving some binary size to

boot,
> i just want to point out DirectVNC
> http://www.adam-lilienthal.de/directvnc/
>
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> > > Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load

times and
> > > bios issues are reduced ?
> >
> > yes, indeed. Ollie Lho had linuxbios booting an sis 630 that

immediately
> > went into microwindows and then started up VNC -- in a few

seconds. He
> > demo'd this at ALS 2000.
> >
> > We are following on this work to build thin clients, with Plan 9

thin
> > clients as one possibility, although X11 will be first.
> >
> > ron
> >
> > Linuxbios mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Adam Agnew]

Yeah, its uhm.. well, it could use some bug fixing. But its close. More
importantly, it has a much smaller footprint than X11 and we've had
trouble with X11 on linuxbios in the past. easier to just use
framebuffers.

On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Hello again from Gregg C Levine
> Adam, have you used the DirectVNC arrangement in your work? And how
> well does it work?
> Gregg C Levine [e-mail]
>
> "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> "Use the Force, Luke."� Obi-Wan Kenobi
> (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
> (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:linuxbios-
> > [e-mail]] On Behalf Of Adam Agnew
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:38 PM
> > To: Ronald G. Minnich
> > Cc: mike hjorleifsson; [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: Newbie Question
> >
> > In the interest of being really fast, and saving some binary size to
>
> boot,
> > i just want to point out DirectVNC
> > http://www.adam-lilienthal.de/directvnc/
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
> > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, mike hjorleifsson wrote:
> > > > Could linuxbios be used to boot a "thin client" so that load
>
> times and
> > > > bios issues are reduced ?
> > >
> > > yes, indeed. Ollie Lho had linuxbios booting an sis 630 that
>
> immediately
> > > went into microwindows and then started up VNC -- in a few
>
> seconds. He
> > > demo'd this at ALS 2000.
> > >
> > > We are following on this work to build thin clients, with Plan 9
>
> thin
> > > clients as one possibility, although X11 will be first.
> > >
> > > ron
> > >
> > > Linuxbios mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
> >
> > Linuxbios mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios