On 02/20/2018 01:29 AM, 戴，曉政 via coreboot wrote:
Dear Taiidan,
I have get KGPE-D16 motherboard from auction website but I find that AMD 6328 CPU is too expensive ($499 USD). As well as 6386SE CPU is more expensive than 6328 CPU so please give me a favor. Please list some cheaper AMD CPUs name that can be built successfully when I use KGPE-D16 motherboard to install coreboot.
Right now on ebay I also see a 6328 for $130 and a 6386SE for $225/best offer (the last and best owner controlled x86-64 CPU, get one while you can IMO). https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Opteron-OS6386YETGGHK-16-Core-2-8GHz-16MB-6-4GT...
This one is in good condition (note the straight as an arrow capacitors on the bottom with none missing)
FYI don't buy a CPU that has missing bottom capacitors or scratches on the pads, always ask a seller for a photo of the bottom if you buy a G34 CPU like the 6386SE.
I know my English is very poor,
Naah it is fine :]
Hello,
Is it really worth 63xx series instead 62xx?
They are _much more_ expensive.
Is there any public benchmark?
Regards,
- Eli
On 20/02/18 10:46, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 02/20/2018 01:29 AM, 戴，曉政 via coreboot wrote:
Dear Taiidan,
I have get KGPE-D16 motherboard from auction website but I find that AMD 6328 CPU is too expensive ($499 USD). As well as 6386SE CPU is more expensive than 6328 CPU so please give me a favor. Please list some cheaper AMD CPUs name that can be built successfully when I use KGPE-D16 motherboard to install coreboot.
Right now on ebay I also see a 6328 for $130 and a 6386SE for $225/best offer (the last and best owner controlled x86-64 CPU, get one while you can IMO). https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Opteron-OS6386YETGGHK-16-Core-2-8GHz-16MB-6-4GT...
This one is in good condition (note the straight as an arrow capacitors on the bottom with none missing)
FYI don't buy a CPU that has missing bottom capacitors or scratches on the pads, always ask a seller for a photo of the bottom if you buy a G34 CPU like the 6386SE.
I know my English is very poor,
Naah it is fine :]
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There's a modest single digit performance boost at isoclock, but the 63xx series also has the fastest core you will see in the owner-controlled x86 world (3.8GHz). The 62xx tops out at 3.6GHz.
Both are 32nm and completely obsolete by modern standards. The POWER9 chip for instance will run circles around either one of these, so I'd say rather than looking for maximum absolute performance at high cost, go for the 62xx series. It'll still last you a long time for moderate computing needs.
On 02/20/2018 01:12 PM, Elisenda Cuadros wrote:
Hello,
Is it really worth 63xx series instead 62xx?
They are _much more_ expensive.
Is there any public benchmark?
Regards,
- Eli
On 20/02/18 10:46, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 02/20/2018 01:29 AM, 戴，曉政 via coreboot wrote:
Dear Taiidan,
I have get KGPE-D16 motherboard from auction website but I find that AMD 6328 CPU is too expensive ($499 USD). As well as 6386SE CPU is more expensive than 6328 CPU so please give me a favor. Please list some cheaper AMD CPUs name that can be built successfully when I use KGPE-D16 motherboard to install coreboot.
Right now on ebay I also see a 6328 for $130 and a 6386SE for $225/best offer (the last and best owner controlled x86-64 CPU, get one while you can IMO). https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Opteron-OS6386YETGGHK-16-Core-2-8GHz-16MB-6-4GT...
This one is in good condition (note the straight as an arrow capacitors on the bottom with none missing)
FYI don't buy a CPU that has missing bottom capacitors or scratches on the pads, always ask a seller for a photo of the bottom if you buy a G34 CPU like the 6386SE.
I know my English is very poor,
Naah it is fine :]
- -- Timothy Pearson Raptor Engineering +1 (415) 727-8645 (direct line) +1 (512) 690-0200 (switchboard) https://www.raptorengineering.com
You explained it so well, thank you!
On 20/02/18 20:29, Timothy Pearson wrote:
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There's a modest single digit performance boost at isoclock, but the 63xx series also has the fastest core you will see in the owner-controlled x86 world (3.8GHz). The 62xx tops out at 3.6GHz.
Both are 32nm and completely obsolete by modern standards. The POWER9 chip for instance will run circles around either one of these, so I'd say rather than looking for maximum absolute performance at high cost, go for the 62xx series. It'll still last you a long time for moderate computing needs.
On 02/20/2018 01:12 PM, Elisenda Cuadros wrote:
Hello,
Is it really worth 63xx series instead 62xx?
They are _much more_ expensive.
Is there any public benchmark?
Regards,
- Eli
On 20/02/18 10:46, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 02/20/2018 01:29 AM, 戴，曉政 via coreboot wrote:
Dear Taiidan,
I have get KGPE-D16 motherboard from auction website but I find that AMD 6328 CPU is too expensive ($499 USD). As well as 6386SE CPU is more expensive than 6328 CPU so please give me a favor. Please list some cheaper AMD CPUs name that can be built successfully when I use KGPE-D16 motherboard to install coreboot.
Right now on ebay I also see a 6328 for $130 and a 6386SE for $225/best offer (the last and best owner controlled x86-64 CPU, get one while you can IMO). https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Opteron-OS6386YETGGHK-16-Core-2-8GHz-16MB-6-4GT...
This one is in good condition (note the straight as an arrow capacitors on the bottom with none missing)
FYI don't buy a CPU that has missing bottom capacitors or scratches on the pads, always ask a seller for a photo of the bottom if you buy a G34 CPU like the 6386SE.
I know my English is very poor,
Naah it is fine :]
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I concur with Tim, if you do not need to run x86_64 only applications then the brand new Libre Firmware/Owner Controlled TALOS 2 is a much better deal and will provide significantly higher mileage than this older opteron platform.
I don't know how raptor did it, but it costs less and has more better features than the equivilant in performance never owner controlled x86_64 new AMD/Intel options.
Libre Firmware Talos 2: Board and the base 4 core cpu - $2,500
Much slower libre firmware opteron: $415 for KGPE-D16 + approx $500 for dual 6386SE CPU's = $1,000
An extra $1,500 is worth it for a motherboard that has a future, and to help ensure the future of owner controlled hardware.
Notes: Raptor also made the libre firmware for the KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 boards, and a variety of other coreboot motherboards - so they have a proven track record. If the T2 isn't successful it will be the end of high performance owner controlled hardware, which is why I urge everyone with the means to purchase one instead of a non-free x86_64 system - it is worth it both for the performance (PCI-e 4.0, SMT4, IBM's great OpenBMC etc) and for the freedom (FSF RYF cert pending!)
On 02/20/2018 02:12 PM, Elisenda Cuadros wrote:
Hello,
Is it really worth 63xx series instead 62xx?
*only if you are gaming* not simply just using some random x86_64 only apps like the autodesk stuff etc
generally for the best G34 CPU's price is about the same - 6386SE will be similarly price as 6287SE - and both have nearly the same performance.
They are _much more_ expensive.
Which ones are you looking at?
Is there any public benchmark?
cpubenchmark.net
If you want to game in a VM (via IOMMU-GFX) on a KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8 let me know, I am happy to assist with that (and all things libre hardware/firmware).
Thank you for your reply.
I would really like to be able to buy a Talos 2 system, I've been following the development news for months and it's really impressive what Raptor is doing
Last photos in Fosdem were stunning!.
Like you, I think the price is very reasonable given the kind of system it is.
For now it is out of my budget but I hope this could change in the future. I wish Raptor all the success.
I don´t plan to use KGPE-D16 for gaming but more like a general-purpose workstation.
Now I have a 6238 and I think I will buy a 6282 for the second socket.
Thank you very much for your offering and your support Taiidan.
Regards,
- Eli
On 22/02/2018 2:05, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
I concur with Tim, if you do not need to run x86_64 only applications then the brand new Libre Firmware/Owner Controlled TALOS 2 is a much better deal and will provide significantly higher mileage than this older opteron platform.
I don't know how raptor did it, but it costs less and has more better features than the equivilant in performance never owner controlled x86_64 new AMD/Intel options.
Libre Firmware Talos 2: Board and the base 4 core cpu - $2,500
Much slower libre firmware opteron: $415 for KGPE-D16 + approx $500 for dual 6386SE CPU's = $1,000
An extra $1,500 is worth it for a motherboard that has a future, and to help ensure the future of owner controlled hardware.
Notes: Raptor also made the libre firmware for the KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 boards, and a variety of other coreboot motherboards - so they have a proven track record. If the T2 isn't successful it will be the end of high performance owner controlled hardware, which is why I urge everyone with the means to purchase one instead of a non-free x86_64 system - it is worth it both for the performance (PCI-e 4.0, SMT4, IBM's great OpenBMC etc) and for the freedom (FSF RYF cert pending!)
On 02/20/2018 02:12 PM, Elisenda Cuadros wrote:
Hello,
Is it really worth 63xx series instead 62xx?
*only if you are gaming* not simply just using some random x86_64 only apps like the autodesk stuff etc
generally for the best G34 CPU's price is about the same - 6386SE will be similarly price as 6287SE - and both have nearly the same performance.
They are _much more_ expensive.
Which ones are you looking at?
Is there any public benchmark?
cpubenchmark.net
If you want to game in a VM (via IOMMU-GFX) on a KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8 let me know, I am happy to assist with that (and all things libre hardware/firmware).
I can't seem to find more than one low res fosdem photo, do you have any links? https://syslog-ng.com/blog/centos-dojo-fosdem-2018/ Damn those massive heatsinks are sexy!
Raptor really needs to promote Talos 2 more - compared to their faux-free hardware competitor who shalt not be named they have hardly any media presence D:
https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Talos_II Heres a nice board photo with a block diagram.
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 03:58:32PM -0500, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
I can't seem to find more than one low res fosdem photo, do you have any links? https://syslog-ng.com/blog/centos-dojo-fosdem-2018/ Damn those massive heatsinks are sexy!
There is a higher res version of this image available with a little bit of URI hacking :) https://syslog-ng.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/pic_power.jpg
Raptor really needs to promote Talos 2 more - compared to their faux-free hardware competitor who shalt not be named they have hardly any media presence D:
https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Talos_II Heres a nice board photo with a block diagram.
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