On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:26 +0200, Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se wrote:
Joseph Smith wrote:
Carl-Daniel what does this have to do with anything?
I think that's actually a good idea. It's nice to clearly state that we do want female contributors as well.
Why not just say EVERYONE is welcome to contribute. We don't see many Three Toe Sloth developers, should we make a wiki page stating encouraging Three Toe Sloth's to contribute to coreboot as well? The list could go on and on...Get my point?
Come on.. This seems to me pretty innocent.. ;-) Can we just take this as a "tongue in cheek" advertising? It is well known that the open source universe is perceived as "socially retarded" and geeky.. Other people seem to have less misgivings. Just google a bit for "freebsd daemonette".. ;o) Cool down man.. Florentin
(Oh, and coreboot has a so fancy logo.. ;))
Quoting Joseph Smith joe@settoplinux.org:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:26 +0200, Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se wrote:
Joseph Smith wrote:
Carl-Daniel what does this have to do with anything?
I think that's actually a good idea. It's nice to clearly state that we do want female contributors as well.
Why not just say EVERYONE is welcome to contribute. We don't see many Three Toe Sloth developers, should we make a wiki page stating encouraging Three Toe Sloth's to contribute to coreboot as well? The list could go on and on...Get my point?
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:15:14 +0200, Florentin Demetrescu echelon@free.fr wrote:
Come on.. This seems to me pretty innocent.. ;-) Can we just take this as a "tongue in cheek" advertising? It is well known that the open source universe is perceived as "socially retarded" and geeky.. Other people seem to have less misgivings. Just google a bit for "freebsd daemonette".. ;o) Cool down man.. Florentin
(Oh, and coreboot has a so fancy logo.. ;))
Quoting Joseph Smith joe@settoplinux.org:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:26 +0200, Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se wrote:
Joseph Smith wrote:
Carl-Daniel what does this have to do with anything?
I think that's actually a good idea. It's nice to clearly state that we do want female contributors as well.
Why not just say EVERYONE is welcome to contribute. We don't see many Three Toe Sloth developers, should we make a wiki page stating encouraging Three Toe Sloth's to contribute to coreboot as well? The list could go on and on...Get my point?
I'm cool eithor way.... as long as my Three Toe Sloth buddy can join coreboot. lol :-)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Joseph Smithjoe@settoplinux.org wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:26 +0200, Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se wrote:
Joseph Smith wrote:
Carl-Daniel what does this have to do with anything?
I think that's actually a good idea. It's nice to clearly state that we do want female contributors as well.
Why not just say EVERYONE is welcome to contribute. We don't see many Three Toe Sloth developers, should we make a wiki page stating encouraging Three Toe Sloth's to contribute to coreboot as well? The list could go on and on...Get my point?
I think that you raise a very important question: Why should coreboot (or any Free Software project) specifically state their support for women to participate?
Semantically, saying that everyone is welcome to contribute does indeed include women as well as three-toed sloths, children, and any sentient beings we don't know about yet. But I think it can be very welcoming for the coreboot community to mention, even if only briefly, that we are supportive of female developers.
Traditionally the Free Software community has been mostly male. If you look at the subset of the community that is Free Software developers, I'm going to guess that the group is even more heavily male. There just aren't as many girls and women out there hacking on stuff. I'm not saying that it's desirable to have equal numbers from each gender, I'm just saying that the skew is so high that it wouldn't hurt for us to put a little effort into encouraging women who might not otherwise contribute.
Having more women developing Free Software is a good thing because (1) it means more Free Software hackers and (2) it means that more girls will have female role models that they can look up to. Having strong, visible role models that use and develop Free Software is great for us, no matter their gender, but it wouldn't be half bad to have a few more strong, visible female role models in the community.
Here's a quick thought experiment: Name 5 male Free Software developers. Now name 5 female Free Software Developers. Much harder to name the women, eh?
When was the last time we had a female DPL? How about a GNU/Linux distro with a female lead? Who is the highest-ranking female officer/employee of the FSF?
Given that women make up 50% of the population, I think it would be great to see more women involved in Free Software. I don't want to make any quotas or to give preference to women over men when picking positions or anything like that. I just think that we should spend some time trying to figure out why there aren't more female participants in Free Software. It's definitely worth our time.
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-----Original Message----- From: coreboot-bounces@coreboot.org [mailto:coreboot-bounces@coreboot.org] On Behalf Of Robinson Tryon Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:22 PM To: coreboot Subject: Re: [coreboot] User:Hailfinger/Drafts/Women
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Joseph Smithjoe@settoplinux.org wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:26 +0200, Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se wrote:
Joseph Smith wrote:
Carl-Daniel what does this have to do with anything?
I think that's actually a good idea. It's nice to clearly state that we do want female contributors as well.
Why not just say EVERYONE is welcome to contribute. We don't see many Three Toe Sloth developers, should we make a wiki page stating encouraging Three Toe Sloth's to contribute to coreboot as well? The list could go on and on...Get my point?
I think that you raise a very important question: Why should coreboot (or any Free Software project) specifically state their support for women to participate?
Semantically, saying that everyone is welcome to contribute does indeed include women as well as three-toed sloths, children, and any sentient beings we don't know about yet.
This is exactly my point.
But I think it can be very welcoming for the coreboot community to mention, even if only briefly, that we are supportive of female developers.
Traditionally the Free Software community has been mostly male. If you look at the subset of the community that is Free Software developers, I'm going to guess that the group is even more heavily male. There just aren't as many girls and women out there hacking on stuff. I'm not saying that it's desirable to have equal numbers from each gender, I'm just saying that the skew is so high that it wouldn't hurt for us to put a little effort into encouraging women who might not otherwise contribute.
Having more women developing Free Software is a good thing because (1) it means more Free Software hackers and (2) it means that more girls will have female role models that they can look up to. Having strong, visible role models that use and develop Free Software is great for us, no matter their gender, but it wouldn't be half bad to have a few more strong, visible female role models in the community.
Here's a quick thought experiment: Name 5 male Free Software developers. Now name 5 female Free Software Developers. Much harder to name the women, eh?
When was the last time we had a female DPL? How about a GNU/Linux distro with a female lead? Who is the highest-ranking female officer/employee of the FSF?
Given that women make up 50% of the population, I think it would be great to see more women involved in Free Software. I don't want to make any quotas or to give preference to women over men when picking positions or anything like that. I just think that we should spend some time trying to figure out why there aren't more female participants in Free Software. It's definitely worth our time.
Ok, I get your point.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:22:23 -0400, Robinson Tryon bishop.robinson@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Joseph Smithjoe@settoplinux.org
wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:26 +0200, Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se wrote:
Joseph Smith wrote:
Carl-Daniel what does this have to do with anything?
I think that's actually a good idea. It's nice to clearly state that we do want female contributors as well.
Why not just say EVERYONE is welcome to contribute. We don't see many Three Toe Sloth developers, should we make a wiki page stating encouraging Three Toe Sloth's to contribute to coreboot as well? The list could go on and on...Get my point?
I think that you raise a very important question: Why should coreboot (or any Free Software project) specifically state their support for women to participate?
Semantically, saying that everyone is welcome to contribute does indeed include women as well as three-toed sloths, children, and any sentient beings we don't know about yet.
Yes this was my exact point. I'm glad to see Carl-Daniel is willing to adjust the page. I think if he wants to mention in the page something about welcoming females because statistically the open source community lacks them it would be fine. I just don't feel there should be a whole page about it. That's my two cents worth :-)
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