Well, I had thought PCI SIG had stopped this nonsense, but the PCIe spec is still "members only".
Is there a .pdf *somewhere* that one can look at?
thanks
ron
On Jan 7, 2008 12:07 PM, ron minnich rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I had thought PCI SIG had stopped this nonsense, but the PCIe spec is still "members only".
Is there a .pdf *somewhere* that one can look at?
Well, yes, you can pretty much always find them posted one someone's website if you google for the proper filename. But it is pretty questionable to use that information if you are not a PCI SIG member. All of the main PCI specs are still controlled by the SIG. Yes, it is annoying, but that is still the way it is.
You can buy the mindshare PCIe book (they have electronic versions, too) to get a regurgitation of most of the information in the specification.
On Jan 7, 2008 9:43 AM, Tom Sylla tsylla@gmail.com wrote:
You can buy the mindshare PCIe book (they have electronic versions, too) to get a regurgitation of most of the information in the specification.
OK, will buy the book.
I actually got admonished by a PCI guy several years ago when I complained on openib mailing list about the way PCI SIG handles the spec. "it's no longer members-only" I was told, "you can just download it".
Hence I am disappointed to find out said PCI guy was wrong.
thanks
ron
On 07/01/08 09:46 -0800, ron minnich wrote:
On Jan 7, 2008 9:43 AM, Tom Sylla tsylla@gmail.com wrote:
You can buy the mindshare PCIe book (they have electronic versions, too) to get a regurgitation of most of the information in the specification.
OK, will buy the book.
I'll second the PCIe book from Mindshare - its most excellent.
Jordan
On Jan 7, 2008 12:46 PM, ron minnich rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 7, 2008 9:43 AM, Tom Sylla tsylla@gmail.com wrote:
You can buy the mindshare PCIe book (they have electronic versions, too) to get a regurgitation of most of the information in the specification.
OK, will buy the book.
I actually got admonished by a PCI guy several years ago when I complained on openib mailing list about the way PCI SIG handles the spec. "it's no longer members-only" I was told, "you can just download it".
Hence I am disappointed to find out said PCI guy was wrong.
Next time ask for a link and a license *immediately*. That way you either get the spec (Best Outcome) or it becomes immediately apparent that the spec is not actually open (Consolation Prize).
This reminds me of when I trying to get free, open access to Adobe's Flash and FLV file format specifications. While doing research online, several people tried to convince me that the spec was "open" and that I could just get it "from over here or there," however no one could ever give me specifics. When I finally got through to actual people at Adobe (product managers and engineers), I was convinced that their file formats were, in fact, closed, and that they had no intention of allowing open access.
So yeah -- get it in writing, or it doesn't mean a thing.
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Yeah PDF are out there, only look to right place. Maybe not latest but something.
Rudolf
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On 07.01.2008 20:59, Rudolf Marek wrote:
Yeah PDF are out there, only look to right place. Maybe not latest but something.
There's even a page which collects all legally available documentation. To be more exact, the remaining documents on that site seem to be OK with the PCI SIG. Other (unavailable) documents are listed on that site, but there is no link to these documents. http://members.datafast.net.au/dft0802/specs.htm
@Ron: A quick google search for the relevant documents turned up your openib mail and the answer to it as one of the top results.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
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