Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt on it

[Deepak Kotian]

HI,

Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel image also needs 
    to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case, if the customized kernel 
    image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on the FLASH ROMS which is 
    usually 2-4MBit.
    Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the above process.

Could some please clarify on this.

Thanks and Regards
Deepak

[Adam Agnew]

3 ways.

1. Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/ for
the patch.

2. Etherboot development series:
download etherboot-5.1.7

3. ADLO
see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the most
work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)

- Adam Agnew

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> HI,
> Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel image also needs
> to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case, if the customized kernel
> image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on the FLASH ROMS which is
> usually 2-4MBit.
> Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the above process.
>
> Could some please clarify on this.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Deepak

[Deepak Kotian]

Thanks for the quick response.

If I use ADLO, will the machine boot up really fast, would there be
performance
degradation because of this. My main intention is to improve the startup
time to around
2/3 seconds.

About ADLO, I could not see it in the utils folder in the linuxbios source I
have.
Can the cvs snapshot be updated please. I do not have access to LINUX box as
of now.

Regards
Deepak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Agnew" 
To: "Deepak Kotian" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt
on it
> 3 ways.
> Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
>
> download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/ for
> the patch.
> Etherboot development series:
>
> download etherboot-5.1.7
> ADLO
>
> see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the most
> work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)
> Adam Agnew
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > HI,
> > Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel image

also needs
> > to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case, if

the customized kernel
> > image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on the

FLASH ROMS which is
> > usually 2-4MBit.
> > Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the

above process.
> > Could some please clarify on this.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> > Deepak

[Adam Agnew]

You don't want to *touch* that cvs snapshot its really old. give me a few
minutes and i'll send you an email with where you can download a new
tarbell from today.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> If I use ADLO, will the machine boot up really fast, would there be
> performance
> degradation because of this. My main intention is to improve the startup
> time to around
> 2/3 seconds.
>
> About ADLO, I could not see it in the utils folder in the linuxbios source I
> have.
> Can the cvs snapshot be updated please. I do not have access to LINUX box as
> of now.
>
> Regards
> Deepak
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Agnew" 
> To: "Deepak Kotian" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt
> on it
> > 3 ways.
> > Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
> >
> > download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/ for
> > the patch.
> > Etherboot development series:
> >
> > download etherboot-5.1.7
> > ADLO
> >
> > see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the most
> > work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)
> > Adam Agnew
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > > HI,
> > > Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel image
>
> also needs
> > > to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case, if
>
> the customized kernel
> > > image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on the
>
> FLASH ROMS which is
> > > usually 2-4MBit.
> > > Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the
>
> above process.
> > > Could some please clarify on this.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > Deepak
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Adam Agnew]

Oh, and ADLO slows things down a little. mostly because it definitely
needs the hard drives to be spun up already, while the linux kernel can be
tricked into thinking they already are. Same with etherboot. If you want 3
second boot up, booting from IDE is out of the question. The other thing
you can try is a DoC Millenium which is a bios chip with 8 megs of
storage.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> If I use ADLO, will the machine boot up really fast, would there be
> performance
> degradation because of this. My main intention is to improve the startup
> time to around
> 2/3 seconds.
>
> About ADLO, I could not see it in the utils folder in the linuxbios source I
> have.
> Can the cvs snapshot be updated please. I do not have access to LINUX box as
> of now.
>
> Regards
> Deepak
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Agnew" 
> To: "Deepak Kotian" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt
> on it
> > 3 ways.
> > Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
> >
> > download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/ for
> > the patch.
> > Etherboot development series:
> >
> > download etherboot-5.1.7
> > ADLO
> >
> > see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the most
> > work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)
> > Adam Agnew
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > > HI,
> > > Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel image
>
> also needs
> > > to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case, if
>
> the customized kernel
> > > image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on the
>
> FLASH ROMS which is
> > > usually 2-4MBit.
> > > Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the
>
> above process.
> > > Could some please clarify on this.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > Deepak
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Deepak Kotian]

OK.Thanks for the information.
What would be best boot up time with IDE with LinuxBIOS ? Any inputs from
anyone.

Thanks and Regards
Deepak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Agnew" 
To: "Deepak Kotian" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt
on it
> Oh, and ADLO slows things down a little. mostly because it definitely
> needs the hard drives to be spun up already, while the linux kernel can be
> tricked into thinking they already are. Same with etherboot. If you want 3
> second boot up, booting from IDE is out of the question. The other thing
> you can try is a DoC Millenium which is a bios chip with 8 megs of
> storage.
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > Thanks for the quick response.
> >
> > If I use ADLO, will the machine boot up really fast, would there be
> > performance
> > degradation because of this. My main intention is to improve the startup
> > time to around
> > 2/3 seconds.
> >
> > About ADLO, I could not see it in the utils folder in the linuxbios

source I
> > have.
> > Can the cvs snapshot be updated please. I do not have access to LINUX

box as
> > of now.
> >
> > Regards
> > Deepak
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Agnew" 
> > To: "Deepak Kotian" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to

burnt
> > on it
> > > 3 ways.
> > > Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
> > >
> > > download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/

for
> > > the patch.
> > > Etherboot development series:
> > >
> > > download etherboot-5.1.7
> > > ADLO
> > >
> > > see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the most
> > > work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)
> > > Adam Agnew
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > > > HI,
> > > > Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel

image
> > also needs
> > > > to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case,

if
> > the customized kernel
> > > > image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on

the
> > FLASH ROMS which is
> > > > usually 2-4MBit.
> > > > Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the
> >
> > above process.
> > > > Could some please clarify on this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and Regards
> > > > Deepak
> >
> > Linuxbios mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[ron minnich]

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> OK.Thanks for the information.
> What would be best boot up time with IDE with LinuxBIOS ? Any inputs from
> anyone.

I got to < 10 seconds once when I was able to put linux in a machine with 
1 Mbyte flash.

ron

[Adam Agnew]

http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/freebios-snapshot-for-deepak.tgz

On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Adam Agnew wrote:
> Oh, and ADLO slows things down a little. mostly because it definitely
> needs the hard drives to be spun up already, while the linux kernel can be
> tricked into thinking they already are. Same with etherboot. If you want 3
> second boot up, booting from IDE is out of the question. The other thing
> you can try is a DoC Millenium which is a bios chip with 8 megs of
> storage.
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > Thanks for the quick response.
> >
> > If I use ADLO, will the machine boot up really fast, would there be
> > performance
> > degradation because of this. My main intention is to improve the startup
> > time to around
> > 2/3 seconds.
> >
> > About ADLO, I could not see it in the utils folder in the linuxbios source I
> > have.
> > Can the cvs snapshot be updated please. I do not have access to LINUX box as
> > of now.
> >
> > Regards
> > Deepak
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Agnew" 
> > To: "Deepak Kotian" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt
> > on it
> > > 3 ways.
> > > Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
> > >
> > > download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/ for
> > > the patch.
> > > Etherboot development series:
> > >
> > > download etherboot-5.1.7
> > > ADLO
> > >
> > > see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the most
> > > work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)
> > > Adam Agnew
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > > > HI,
> > > > Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel image
> >
> > also needs
> > > > to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this case, if
> >
> > the customized kernel
> > > > image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on the
> >
> > FLASH ROMS which is
> > > > usually 2-4MBit.
> > > > Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of the
> >
> > above process.
> > > > Could some please clarify on this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and Regards
> > > > Deepak
> >
> > Linuxbios mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

[Deepak Kotian]

Thanks very much. I have download it.Appreciated your help. Now I can see
all
over there.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Agnew" 
To: "Deepak Kotian" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to burnt
on it
> http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/freebios-snapshot-for-deepak.tgz
>
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Adam Agnew wrote:
> > Oh, and ADLO slows things down a little. mostly because it definitely
> > needs the hard drives to be spun up already, while the linux kernel can

be
> > tricked into thinking they already are. Same with etherboot. If you want

3
> > second boot up, booting from IDE is out of the question. The other thing
> > you can try is a DoC Millenium which is a bios chip with 8 megs of
> > storage.
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > > Thanks for the quick response.
> > >
> > > If I use ADLO, will the machine boot up really fast, would there be
> > > performance
> > > degradation because of this. My main intention is to improve the

startup
> > > time to around
> > > 2/3 seconds.
> > >
> > > About ADLO, I could not see it in the utils folder in the linuxbios

source I
> > > have.
> > > Can the cvs snapshot be updated please. I do not have access to LINUX

box as
> > > of now.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Deepak
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Adam Agnew" 
> > > To: "Deepak Kotian" 
> > > Cc: 
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Burning BIOS on FLASH ROMS, is the kernel also needs to

burnt
> > > on it
> > > > 3 ways.
> > > > Etherboot 5.0.6 with polled ide patch:
> > > >
> > > > download etherboot-5.0.6 and see http://www.missl.cs.umd.edu/~agnew/

for
> > > > the patch.
> > > > Etherboot development series:
> > > >
> > > > download etherboot-5.1.7
> > > > ADLO
> > > >
> > > > see freebios/utils/ADLO/ from the linuxbios cvs. (this one is the

most
> > > > work, but wont require you to modify your kernel when you're done)
> > > > Adam Agnew
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Deepak Kotian wrote:
> > > > > HI,
> > > > > Looking at the burn mtd script, it seems that the linux kernel

image
> > > also needs
> > > > > to be burnt on the BIOS flash along with linuxbios.In this

case, if
> > > the customized kernel
> > > > > image is around 900KB  ,then it may be difficult to fit it on

the
> > > FLASH ROMS which is
> > > > > usually 2-4MBit.
> > > > > Is there a way to boot it from IDE device itself instead of

the
> > > above process.
> > > > > Could some please clarify on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks and Regards
> > > > > Deepak
> > >
> > > Linuxbios mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
> >
> > Linuxbios mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
>
> Linuxbios mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios