I can't download the .pdf file for some reason (maybe the tla's got to it?) http://fm.csl.sri.com/LAW/2009/dobry-law09-HAP-Challenges.pdf can someone send it to me? Thanks
Thoughts: Sad this is still not an actual method of disablement, but it doesn't really matter as anyone who buys *new* x86 hardware is still supporting wintel's development of newer and better anti-features, DRM and surveillance technology - one that can't even be me-cleaner/hap/etc nerfed will be released some day. I wish people spent their energy popularizing owner controlled arches instead of beating a dead horse.
While IBM also makes surveillance tech they make POWER which as the last performance owner controlled arch that sells for attainable prices goes a long way to offset that. Heres to hoping IBM starts selling POWER workstations...
I find it hard to believe that the NSA uses made in china intel stuff with ME chips present for their high security stuff (hap nerfed or not), I imagine top secret things are done on POWER (which has a USA cpu fab and no black boxes).
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On 08/29/2017 11:00 PM, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
I can't download the .pdf file for some reason (maybe the tla's got to it?) http://fm.csl.sri.com/LAW/2009/dobry-law09-HAP-Challenges.pdf can someone send it to me? Thanks
Thoughts: Sad this is still not an actual method of disablement, but it doesn't really matter as anyone who buys *new* x86 hardware is still supporting wintel's development of newer and better anti-features, DRM and surveillance technology - one that can't even be me-cleaner/hap/etc nerfed will be released some day. I wish people spent their energy popularizing owner controlled arches instead of beating a dead horse.
While IBM also makes surveillance tech they make POWER which as the last performance owner controlled arch that sells for attainable prices goes a long way to offset that. Heres to hoping IBM starts selling POWER workstations...
POWER9 workstations are already coming on the market:
Note that IBM selling similar machines directly would likely be more expensive, not less, based on POWER8 price comparisons between IBM and other vendors. People purchase IBM branded products for extreme reliability, not to get cheap equipment...
I find it hard to believe that the NSA uses made in china intel stuff with ME chips present for their high security stuff (hap nerfed or not), I imagine top secret things are done on POWER (which has a USA cpu fab and no black boxes).
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On 08/30/2017 03:28 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
POWER9 workstations are already coming on the market:
Note that IBM selling similar machines directly would likely be more expensive, not less, based on POWER8 price comparisons between IBM and other vendors. People purchase IBM branded products for extreme reliability, not to get cheap equipment...
Damn that is sick as hell! you guys actually pulled it off! how did you get the funding? how have I not heard about this before?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:09:51 -0400 "Taiidan@gmx.com" Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 08/30/2017 03:28 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
POWER9 workstations are already coming on the market:
Note that IBM selling similar machines directly would likely be more expensive, not less, based on POWER8 price comparisons between IBM and other vendors. People purchase IBM branded products for extreme reliability, not to get cheap equipment...
Damn that is sick as hell! you guys actually pulled it off! how did you get the funding? how have I not heard about this before?
Yeah, I wonder why it was not announced on this list. Although not directly coreboot related, there probably is strong interest here within this community.
There is also a channel on freenode: #talos-workstation
From what I've heard, pre-orders will close very soon, and it's unknown
if there will be a second production run of the boards...
Timothy, maybe you could shed some light on it?
Cheers,
Merlin
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On 08/31/2017 03:23 AM, Merlin Büge wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:09:51 -0400 "Taiidan@gmx.com" Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 08/30/2017 03:28 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
POWER9 workstations are already coming on the market:
Note that IBM selling similar machines directly would likely be more expensive, not less, based on POWER8 price comparisons between IBM and other vendors. People purchase IBM branded products for extreme reliability, not to get cheap equipment...
Damn that is sick as hell! you guys actually pulled it off! how did you get the funding? how have I not heard about this before?
Yeah, I wonder why it was not announced on this list. Although not directly coreboot related, there probably is strong interest here within this community.
There is also a channel on freenode: #talos-workstation
From what I've heard, pre-orders will close very soon, and it's unknown if there will be a second production run of the boards...
Timothy, maybe you could shed some light on it?
Cheers,
Merlin
Well, I didn't want to spam the list; that was the main reason for the lack of a separate announcement here. OpenPOWER systems don't have a good reason to use coreboot versus the already open hostboot, and now with DDR4 in use on the POWER9 a coreboot port is going to be even harder than it would have been on POWER8.
That being said, since there does appear to be interest, I'll mention that the Talos™ II pre-order system is largely driven by the fact that the POWER9 CPU has not yet been officially released. Raptor Computing Systems is the first vendor on the market and the only vendor to be shipping systems along with the first POWER9 CPUs scheduled for Q4 this year. Additionally, the Talos™ II retains unique features not found on any other OpenPOWER machine, including the ability to self-host critical programmable logic components.
Cost is far less than Talos I largely due to a higher level of integration on the POWER9 CPU. TDPs are far less than POWER8 (90W for the bundled CPU) and we are confident that this machine is a worthy replacement for x86 workstation systems that are not locked to proprietary software.
There's an FAQ page here which also goes into more detail:
https://raptorcs.com/content/base/faq.html
On our current schedule preorders for shipment this year close the middle of next month, so if you'd like to be among the first to have a Talos™ II please get your pre-order in ASAP!
- -- Timothy Pearson Raptor Engineering +1 (415) 727-8645 (direct line) +1 (512) 690-0200 (switchboard) https://www.raptorengineering.com
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Timothy, I think that you should heavily promote the TALOS on the coreboot list and also ask to have it promoted on the vendors page on coreboot.org. The kind of people that want the hardware you sell are here in the coreboot community in large numbers. Of course, this is assuming that the leadership in coreboot would permit you to promote it here.
While not technically coreboot, it is indeed libre hardware that you are selling, and does come with free boot firmware similar to coreboot.
For this reason, I personally (with approval from other members of the project) added you to libreboot.org aswell; see:
https://libreboot.org/suppliers.html#raptor-engineering https://libreboot.org/news/talos.html
It's very important for the sake of the free software movement that your TALOS II effort succeeds and thrives.
On 31/08/17 19:07, Timothy Pearson wrote:
On 08/31/2017 03:23 AM, Merlin Büge wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:09:51 -0400 "Taiidan@gmx.com" Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 08/30/2017 03:28 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
POWER9 workstations are already coming on the market:
Note that IBM selling similar machines directly would likely be more expensive, not less, based on POWER8 price comparisons between IBM and other vendors. People purchase IBM branded products for extreme reliability, not to get cheap equipment...
Damn that is sick as hell! you guys actually pulled it off! how did you get the funding? how have I not heard about this before?
Yeah, I wonder why it was not announced on this list. Although not directly coreboot related, there probably is strong interest here within this community.
There is also a channel on freenode: #talos-workstation
From what I've heard, pre-orders will close very soon, and it's unknown if there will be a second production run of the boards...
Timothy, maybe you could shed some light on it?
Cheers,
Merlin
Well, I didn't want to spam the list; that was the main reason for the lack of a separate announcement here. OpenPOWER systems don't have a good reason to use coreboot versus the already open hostboot, and now with DDR4 in use on the POWER9 a coreboot port is going to be even harder than it would have been on POWER8.
That being said, since there does appear to be interest, I'll mention that the Talos™ II pre-order system is largely driven by the fact that the POWER9 CPU has not yet been officially released. Raptor Computing Systems is the first vendor on the market and the only vendor to be shipping systems along with the first POWER9 CPUs scheduled for Q4 this year. Additionally, the Talos™ II retains unique features not found on any other OpenPOWER machine, including the ability to self-host critical programmable logic components.
Cost is far less than Talos I largely due to a higher level of integration on the POWER9 CPU. TDPs are far less than POWER8 (90W for the bundled CPU) and we are confident that this machine is a worthy replacement for x86 workstation systems that are not locked to proprietary software.
There's an FAQ page here which also goes into more detail:
https://raptorcs.com/content/base/faq.html
On our current schedule preorders for shipment this year close the middle of next month, so if you'd like to be among the first to have a Talos™ II please get your pre-order in ASAP!
- -- Leah Rowe
Libreboot developer and project founder.
Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/ Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux.
Support computer user freedom https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/
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Timothy, Ubuntu Server is officially supporting Power8 ( https://www.ubuntu.com/ download/server/power8 ). Do you have insight if they will support Power9? Can we get a complete overview of all the I/O ports with Make and Model#. I see what looks like 4 SATA ports (in 2 different colors) on the board ( https://static.rptorcs.com/TL2B01/images/boardsmall.png ), but they are missing in the documentation ( https://raptorcs.com/ content/TL2B01/intro.html ). I would also like to know what make & model the SATA controller is and the model of the Broadcom NIC chip for example. Else keep up the good work. Thanks.
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Leah Rowe info@gluglug.org.uk wrote:
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Timothy, I think that you should heavily promote the TALOS on the coreboot list and also ask to have it promoted on the vendors page on coreboot.org. The kind of people that want the hardware you sell are here in the coreboot community in large numbers. Of course, this is assuming that the leadership in coreboot would permit you to promote it here.
While not technically coreboot, it is indeed libre hardware that you are selling, and does come with free boot firmware similar to coreboot.
For this reason, I personally (with approval from other members of the project) added you to libreboot.org aswell; see:
https://libreboot.org/suppliers.html#raptor-engineering https://libreboot.org/news/talos.html
It's very important for the sake of the free software movement that your TALOS II effort succeeds and thrives.
On 31/08/17 19:07, Timothy Pearson wrote:
On 08/31/2017 03:23 AM, Merlin Büge wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:09:51 -0400 "Taiidan@gmx.com" Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
On 08/30/2017 03:28 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
POWER9 workstations are already coming on the market:
Note that IBM selling similar machines directly would likely be more expensive, not less, based on POWER8 price comparisons between IBM and other vendors. People purchase IBM branded products for extreme reliability, not to get cheap equipment...
Damn that is sick as hell! you guys actually pulled it off! how did you get the funding? how have I not heard about this before?
Yeah, I wonder why it was not announced on this list. Although not directly coreboot related, there probably is strong interest here within this community.
There is also a channel on freenode: #talos-workstation
From what I've heard, pre-orders will close very soon, and it's unknown if there will be a second production run of the boards...
Timothy, maybe you could shed some light on it?
Cheers,
Merlin
Well, I didn't want to spam the list; that was the main reason for the lack of a separate announcement here. OpenPOWER systems don't have a good reason to use coreboot versus the already open hostboot, and now with DDR4 in use on the POWER9 a coreboot port is going to be even harder than it would have been on POWER8.
That being said, since there does appear to be interest, I'll mention that the Talos™ II pre-order system is largely driven by the fact that the POWER9 CPU has not yet been officially released. Raptor Computing Systems is the first vendor on the market and the only vendor to be shipping systems along with the first POWER9 CPUs scheduled for Q4 this year. Additionally, the Talos™ II retains unique features not found on any other OpenPOWER machine, including the ability to self-host critical programmable logic components.
Cost is far less than Talos I largely due to a higher level of integration on the POWER9 CPU. TDPs are far less than POWER8 (90W for the bundled CPU) and we are confident that this machine is a worthy replacement for x86 workstation systems that are not locked to proprietary software.
There's an FAQ page here which also goes into more detail:
https://raptorcs.com/content/base/faq.html
On our current schedule preorders for shipment this year close the middle of next month, so if you'd like to be among the first to have a Talos™ II please get your pre-order in ASAP!
Leah Rowe
Libreboot developer and project founder.
Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/ Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux.
Support computer user freedom https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/
Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: https://minifree.org/
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Try this backup copy from the Internet Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20121211162830/fm.csl.sri.com/LAW/2009/dobry-law...
2017-08-30 1:00 GMT-03:00 Taiidan@gmx.com Taiidan@gmx.com:
I can't download the .pdf file for some reason (maybe the tla's got to it?) http://fm.csl.sri.com/LAW/2009/dobry-law09-HAP-Challenges.pdf can someone send it to me? Thanks
Thoughts: Sad this is still not an actual method of disablement, but it doesn't really matter as anyone who buys *new* x86 hardware is still supporting wintel's development of newer and better anti-features, DRM and surveillance technology - one that can't even be me-cleaner/hap/etc nerfed will be released some day. I wish people spent their energy popularizing owner controlled arches instead of beating a dead horse.
While IBM also makes surveillance tech they make POWER which as the last performance owner controlled arch that sells for attainable prices goes a long way to offset that. Heres to hoping IBM starts selling POWER workstations...
I find it hard to believe that the NSA uses made in china intel stuff with ME chips present for their high security stuff (hap nerfed or not), I imagine top secret things are done on POWER (which has a USA cpu fab and no black boxes).
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