On Monday, March 10, 2014 08:54:12 AM ron minnich wrote:
I think what we need to do is make this thread continue until it has consumed more space then one month's worth of HTML.
I think we're still in the bikeshedding of original request stage.
First off, whining about usage of HTML because of one's mobile data plan: I don't care what data plan you have. When you come to a public list, you should be prepared to adapt to the needs of the community using that list, not the other way around. If enough people in said community had 30 MB data plans, and everybody only used mobile phones for emailing, then your request might sound half-reasonable.
But seriously? 30 MB data plan? I didn't know they sell those anymore. I heard those were common in the bronze age. I have to really shop around to get anything less than 1GB. I admit, I just happen to have unlimited data (remember, we're in the space age now).
I don't usually use a mobile connection to check my email, but when I do, it's because I'm bored. Seriously, don't use your mobile plan for reading html email if it's such a big issue for you. Remember, most people weren't even born when the bronze age ended.
All in all, this request seems selfish, although based on a reasonable premise. Sure, HTML email sucks, and if what one really wants to do is convey information, then plaintext is the way to go.
:-)
[evil face]
So, while I agree we don't really need HTML email for this list, it's a nice way to piss off people every once in a while. It's fun. And it's fun to sidetrack a thread whenever someone accidentally sends some HTML bits.
ron
I'd normally take this out of my emails, but it's more bits of data. Yay!
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Sam Kuper sam.kuper@uclmail.net wrote:
On Mar 10, 2014 3:32 PM, "Björn Busse" mail@baerlin.eu wrote:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 04:21:00PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
Corey Osgood wrote:
Can you please point me to when this became policy on the coreboot mailing list?
I think it's pretty much a common sense policy on every mailing list.
+1, Also my understanding.
The trouble with invoking "common sense" is that what constitutes it isn't universally agreed.
I measure common sense compliance as the inverse of the number of people I piss off. It's always a relative measure, but a damn fine one.
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More signatures!!!!
[sidetrack] I've seen some really stupid signatures used on this list. My all-time favorite is something along the lines of "To think outside the box you really need to be intel inside". I have no idea how the guy using this thought this might even remotely be an intelligent thing to say (notice I spelled "intelligent" correctly, not "intel" which is a misspelling).
Second on the list are people leaving their contact information in their signatures. Really? I have that in the "From:" field if I need to contact you. Truth be told, I haven't not contacted you because I didn't know how to reach you. You just aren't that likable.
Alex
mrnuke wrote:
I don't care what data plan you have.
I think that's careless and inconsiderate, Alex. Not two nice traits.
When you come to a public list, you should be prepared to adapt to the needs of the community using that list,
I think this is a valid point.
not the other way around.
I disagree with this for the general case. I think it's just as important that a community is prepared to adapt to needs of new members.
But seriously? 30 MB data plan? I didn't know they sell those anymore.
So you are ignorant about data plans across the world. So are most people, myself included. Be mindful of this, and don't make assumptions that other people live under the same circumstances as yourself.
I have to really shop around to get anything less than 1GB. I admit, I just happen to have unlimited data (remember, we're in the space age now).
Germany, where Paul and I both live, is significantly worse connected than many other nations, indeed worse than the US and significantly worse than both Romania and Sweden.
However, what is available on the market in the US, in Romania or in Sweden is completely irrelevant for everyone who lives in Germany, and in other badly-connected nations.
We don't want to exclude them because other parts of the world have better connectivity.
I don't usually use a mobile connection to check my email, but when I do, it's because I'm bored.
That's perfectly fine, but that is only your life situation.
Seriously, don't use your mobile plan for reading html email if it's such a big issue for you.
I don't think this is a constructive comment. I think Paul wouldn't use a mobile phone for email unless it meant some benefits for him. Maybe it's what allows him to contribute to coreboot while he commutes. I don't know.
All in all, this request seems selfish,
I don't see a conflict between Paul's reminder and the general community well-being. Paul sent a request/reminder because HTML email is problematic for him and I think that's the right thing to do.
Mailing lists are usually plain text so it is a reasonable thing to send. If someone finds plain text email more problematic than HTML then I hope they will also send a message.
while I agree we don't really need HTML email for this list, it's a nice way to piss off people every once in a while.
We don't need any of that in this project.
It's fun.
No it's not. It's just nonsense which detracts from what we actually want to be doing.
I measure common sense compliance as the inverse of the number of people I piss off. It's always a relative measure, but a damn fine one.
How will you know whom you piss off unless they speak out?
It seems that you are dismissing someone who has spoken out on the grounds that you don't hear many enough who speak out. How ironic.
You just aren't that likable.
There's a German saying which goes something like this:
What Klaus says about Peter says more about Klaus than about Peter.
Keep in mind that what you say is what determines how you are perceived.
//Peter
Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 14:55 +0100 schrieb Peter Stuge:
Germany, where Paul and I both live, is significantly worse connected than many other nations, indeed worse than the US and significantly worse than both Romania and Sweden.
Germany still has IMAP, which allows you to only download the MIME parts you're interested in. Of course, Paul might have the disadvantage of only being able to access mails through pop3, but that's really a recipient issue. Otherwise we should stop using http (introduced in 1992) and git (introduced 2005), to name just two things we pretty much rely on that might not be available to everyone (my phone certainly doesn't support either).
No it's not. It's just nonsense which detracts from what we actually want to be doing.
For a moment I thought you'd refer to the original request to conform to a certain formal mail style...
Patrick
Dear coreboot folks,
lately even long time contributors started to send messages to the list, which were not just plain text but included UTF-8.
Besides that UTF-8 for text only adds advantage in rare cases, it also increases message size, since it can grow the size of a single printable character by a factor of four.
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--- Paul, I'll make sure not to use HTML if you can avoid UTF-8 :-)
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