Patrick Georgi via coreboot wrote:
2017-03-17 13:17 GMT+01:00 Dumitru Ursu dima@ceata.org:
I never tried the web interface.
We did, it failed us.
I wish someone would have mentioned that sooner.
What problems did people have with mumble-web, and where was the websockets server running, relative to the mumble server?
//Peter
On 2017-03-17 06:27, Peter Stuge wrote:
Patrick Georgi via coreboot wrote:
2017-03-17 13:17 GMT+01:00 Dumitru Ursu dima@ceata.org:
I never tried the web interface.
We did, it failed us.
I wish someone would have mentioned that sooner.
What problems did people have with mumble-web, and where was the websockets server running, relative to the mumble server?
//Peter
I'm sorry, I have to contribute at this point.
I got started with OSS in 2000 when Monta Vista Software (anybody remember HardHat Linux?) hired me as a FAE. I was teamed with a salesperson and we were trying to close business selling an embedded Linux distribution. Every 6 months or so we would have a sales meeting somewhere and engineering would share with us the latest product development news, etc.
Ahead of one of these meetings I happened to be in headquarters (Santa Clara, CA) and remember very clearly the happy face of this engineering manager who had just "wasted" (my opinion) 3-5 days generating a presentation slide-deck with OSS (I don't even know if Open Office was available at that time) for the meeting, instead of spending two hours doing same presentation with Powerpoint.
Just because I work with OSS doesn't automatically make me a zealot for OSS as the only way to go. I choose the correct tool to get the job done. I always hope for an OSS option, but to this day, Outlook is the only product Micro$oft got right and I will choose it over any of the OSS options I have tried as an email client.
I will leave with, think of the contribution to Coreboot source code this energy could generate instead of spending it on fixing a problem that doesn't need fixing? Cheers, T.mike
Don't know if anyone brought this up yet, but the FOSS communities that I know uses jitsi: https://meet.jit.si
It's MIT, but works very well.
Em sex, 17 de mar de 2017 às 11:27, tturne@codeaurora.org escreveu:
On 2017-03-17 06:27, Peter Stuge wrote:
Patrick Georgi via coreboot wrote:
2017-03-17 13:17 GMT+01:00 Dumitru Ursu dima@ceata.org:
I never tried the web interface.
We did, it failed us.
I wish someone would have mentioned that sooner.
What problems did people have with mumble-web, and where was the websockets server running, relative to the mumble server?
//Peter
I'm sorry, I have to contribute at this point.
I got started with OSS in 2000 when Monta Vista Software (anybody remember HardHat Linux?) hired me as a FAE. I was teamed with a salesperson and we were trying to close business selling an embedded Linux distribution. Every 6 months or so we would have a sales meeting somewhere and engineering would share with us the latest product development news, etc.
Ahead of one of these meetings I happened to be in headquarters (Santa Clara, CA) and remember very clearly the happy face of this engineering manager who had just "wasted" (my opinion) 3-5 days generating a presentation slide-deck with OSS (I don't even know if Open Office was available at that time) for the meeting, instead of spending two hours doing same presentation with Powerpoint.
Just because I work with OSS doesn't automatically make me a zealot for OSS as the only way to go. I choose the correct tool to get the job done. I always hope for an OSS option, but to this day, Outlook is the only product Micro$oft got right and I will choose it over any of the OSS options I have tried as an email client.
I will leave with, think of the contribution to Coreboot source code this energy could generate instead of spending it on fixing a problem that doesn't need fixing? Cheers, T.mike
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On 03/17/2017 10:25 AM, tturne@codeaurora.org wrote:
I'm sorry, I have to contribute at this point.
I got started with OSS in 2000 when Monta Vista Software (anybody remember HardHat Linux?) hired me as a FAE. I was teamed with a salesperson and we were trying to close business selling an embedded Linux distribution. Every 6 months or so we would have a sales meeting somewhere and engineering would share with us the latest product development news, etc.
Ahead of one of these meetings I happened to be in headquarters (Santa Clara, CA) and remember very clearly the happy face of this engineering manager who had just "wasted" (my opinion) 3-5 days generating a presentation slide-deck with OSS (I don't even know if Open Office was available at that time) for the meeting, instead of spending two hours doing same presentation with Powerpoint.
Just because I work with OSS doesn't automatically make me a zealot for OSS as the only way to go. I choose the correct tool to get the job done. I always hope for an OSS option, but to this day, Outlook is the only product Micro$oft got right and I will choose it over any of the OSS options I have tried as an email client.
I will leave with, think of the contribution to Coreboot source code this energy could generate instead of spending it on fixing a problem that doesn't need fixing? Cheers, T.mike
I am a sysadmin not a programmer, so this is my department.
I believe it needs fixing - It is a philosophical issue, I mean you have to draw the line or you get the slippery slope for "just a little non-free here for convenience just this once" has lead to most of the community thinking that a system with 100% blobbed hw init is "free firmware" (coreboot just being a wrapper shim loader for FSP in that case) or that linux drivers with a binary blob are "open source drivers". It is a matter of pride.
The linux communities quiet acceptance of things like ME/PSP (ex: why don't sysadmins say no and buy POWER?) - is because of philosophy-slacking.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:36 PM Taiidan@gmx.com Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
The linux communities quiet acceptance of things like ME/PSP (ex: why don't sysadmins say no and buy POWER?) - is because of philosophy-slacking.
you think it was quiet? It's not been quiet at all. It has probably just occurred in places you were not involved in.
Anyway, if you can provide a system we can use that addresses the observed problems I mentioned, that's great, and we can take a look. But one person providing SIP on one server on a non-redundant network infrastructure is not nearly good enough.
* Taiidan@gmx.com Taiidan@gmx.com [170317 23:35]:
I believe it needs fixing - It is a philosophical issue, I mean you have to draw the line or you get the slippery slope for "just a little non-free here for convenience just this once" has lead to most of the community thinking that a system with 100% blobbed hw init is "free firmware" (coreboot just being a wrapper shim loader for FSP in that case) or that linux drivers with a binary blob are "open source drivers". It is a matter of pride.
The linux communities quiet acceptance of things like ME/PSP (ex: why don't sysadmins say no and buy POWER?) - is because of philosophy-slacking.
Nothing about this is quiet. We have been actively working with hardware vendors to open up as much stuff as possible, for a good two decades now.
The reason is not philosophy-slacking. Because philosophy makes you feel righteous, but it does not get any work done. Instead of having this discussion (and making hundreds of people read it) this community could spend the same time making coreboot better and mentoring the corporate community members.
The sooner we get away from an "us vs them" mentality, the faster we can be actually changing things.
Stefan
Le 18/03/2017 00:47, Stefan Reinauer a écrit :
- Taiidan@gmx.com Taiidan@gmx.com [170317 23:35]:
I believe it needs fixing - It is a philosophical issue, I mean you have to draw the line or you get the slippery slope for "just a little non-free here for convenience just this once" has lead to most of the community thinking that a system with 100% blobbed hw init is "free firmware" (coreboot just being a wrapper shim loader for FSP in that case) or that linux drivers with a binary blob are "open source drivers". It is a matter of pride.
The linux communities quiet acceptance of things like ME/PSP (ex: why don't sysadmins say no and buy POWER?) - is because of philosophy-slacking.
Nothing about this is quiet. We have been actively working with hardware vendors to open up as much stuff as possible, for a good two decades now.
The reason is not philosophy-slacking. Because philosophy makes you feel righteous, but it does not get any work done. Instead of having this discussion (and making hundreds of people read it) this community could spend the same time making coreboot better and mentoring the corporate community members.
The sooner we get away from an "us vs them" mentality, the faster we can be actually changing things.
Sorry to interrupt. I wanted to pass a word. I agree that the us vs them mentality has to end. Just a thing about philosophy. I believe that it makes you think. If you build a road without a plan, where are you going ? This is just a balance that everyone has to make. Rushing leads nowhere either.
Stefan
I wish you all good continuation. Freely BERNARD
* Peter Stuge peter@stuge.se [170317 14:27]:
Patrick Georgi via coreboot wrote:
2017-03-17 13:17 GMT+01:00 Dumitru Ursu dima@ceata.org:
I never tried the web interface.
We did, it failed us.
I wish someone would have mentioned that sooner.
What problems did people have with mumble-web, and where was the websockets server running, relative to the mumble server?
It was actually your mumble server. We used it for one or two meetings, and the sound was choppy and it was basically impossible to have a conversation.
Stefan
//Peter
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