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[LinuxBIOS] RE: LinuxBIOS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 31
by Narahari, Narasimhaiah (IE10) 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

Hi, Did Any body face problems using nt-loader to boot Windows 2K? With regards, narahari -----Original Message----- From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of linuxbios-request(a)openbios.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:11 PM To: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Subject: LinuxBIOS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 31 Send LinuxBIOS mailing list submissions to linuxbios(a)openbios.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linuxbios-request(a)openbios.org You can reach the person managing the list at linuxbios-owner(a)openbios.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LinuxBIOS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: newbie question of lb (Edwin Morales) 2. Re: Using lilo (Michal Szwaczko) 3. Re: newbie question of lb (Stefan Reinauer) 4. Re: newbie question of lb (Hamish Guthrie) 5. RE: newbie question of lb (Edwin Morales) 6. Re: Using lilo (Peter Stuge) 7. Re: Using lilo (Adam Sulmicki) 8. Re: Using lilo (Richard Smith) 9. Re: newbie question of lb (yhlu) 10. can an Athlon64 work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N) board? (Miernik) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:08:07 -0700 From: "Edwin Morales" <Morales(a)appro.com> Subject: RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb To: <hamish(a)prodigi.ch> Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <4B21D6C08BC8BA4A9530E43C980E58B01C35E1(a)hawk.appro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" well it's looking for that file, so how is that built...... Regards, -------- // Ed -----Original Message----- From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Hamish Guthrie Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:05 PM To: Edwin Morales Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb So what???????????? --- there is not enough detail to even think about debugging Edwin Morales wrote: > just following the lb manual on amd64 . > > when building the actual .rom file I get > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' > > > regards, > -------- > // ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org > [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Reinauer > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:33 AM > To: Edwin Morales > Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org > Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb > > * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 20:18]: > >>hi all, >> >>new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions. >> >> >> >>- how to care of the payload build error > > > what build error? > > >>- whether it be for etherboot or filo > > > What's your question? > > >>any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm > > > try to be a bit more elaborate ;-) > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell > > Stefan > > > -- LinuxBIOS mailing list LinuxBIOS(a)openbios.org http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:08:06 +0200 From: Michal Szwaczko <mikey(a)wirelabs.net> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo To: Peter Stuge <stuge-linuxbios(a)cdy.org> Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <20050819190806.GA10773@tokyo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:04:37PM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote: > Call me conservative, but I use LILO everywhere. GRUB has caused me > nothing but trouble while LILO has worked flawlessly since that day > many years ago when I first started using it. GRUB is much more flexible, and - if you read up a lot - it's easy. I'd not say a word to you 2 years ago, because I was just that conservative and trusted lilo. Seems, the only hurdle was prejudice and wrong mindset about GRUB. Since then, I use GRUB exclusively. So, maybe you should give it a shot one more time. Regards, -- [ .O. | Micha³ 'Mikey' Szwaczko | GPG Key#:0x653CBD53 ] [ ..O | Developer/Troubleshooter | GNU Generation Now! ] [ OOO | MSDOS is not dead. It just smells that way. ] ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:13:36 +0200 From: Stefan Reinauer <stepan(a)openbios.org> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb To: Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <20050819191336.GA24333(a)openbios.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 21:08]: > well it's looking for that file, so how is that built...... > > > when building the actual .rom file I get > > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' misleading, i read you got this file already.. compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the configuration files and the documentation.. Stefan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:20:42 +0200 From: Hamish Guthrie <hamish(a)prodigi.ch> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb To: hamish(a)prodigi.ch Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org, Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> Message-ID: <43064D2A.9070107(a)prodigi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not sure if my previous post just failed to hit the net or what, but, to re-iterate!!! Hi Edwin, I am sending you a quotation from a very good member of the open source community - I do not want to detract from your question, at all, but some of Marty's suggestions are good value for money. I quote my friend Marty Connor "You need to do a better job asking for help. You provide very little in the way of information, and then you literally beg for help. If you are having trouble with a project, then at least demonstrate that you have read (or attempted to read) the documentation. There is also a mailing list for help specifically with that software, if you can't figure out the documentation or examples. Also, in debugging, you should attempt to create simple test cases, and when they fail, send input, output, and what you thought should happen to the appropriate list for analysis. Otherwise, all we can do is guess what might be happening. I want to encourage you to proceed, but I also want to strongly suggest that if you want help, you need to show that the time of the people trying to help you is not wasted. You can do this by showing that progress you have made, by producing output, and explaining in more detail what you did. If your English skills are a problem, please find a friend who has better skills, and have them help you, in exchange for help with something they need help with. I hope you succeed, but even more I hope that in this process you develop better debugging skills, and improve your methods of asking for help." Marty said it all. I think his advice is really good, and if you really want help, follow the above steps. Hamish Hamish Guthrie wrote: > So what???????????? --- there is not enough detail to even think about > debugging > > > Edwin Morales wrote: > >> just following the lb manual on amd64 . >> >> when building the actual .rom file I get >> ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' >> >> >> regards, >> -------- >> // ed >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org >> [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Reinauer >> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:33 AM >> To: Edwin Morales >> Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org >> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb >> >> * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 20:18]: >> >>> hi all, >>> >>> new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> - how to care of the payload build error >> >> >> >> what build error? >> >> >>> - whether it be for etherboot or filo >> >> >> >> What's your question? >> >> >>> any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm >> >> >> >> try to be a bit more elaborate ;-) >> >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell >> >> Stefan >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:33:54 -0700 From: "Edwin Morales" <Morales(a)appro.com> Subject: RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb To: "Stefan Reinauer" <stepan(a)openbios.org> Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <4B21D6C08BC8BA4A9530E43C980E58B01C35E4(a)hawk.appro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" sorry for the misleading information, my 'question asking skills' needs much improvement i'll check out etherboot.org Regards, -------- // Ed -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Reinauer [mailto:stepan@openbios.org] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:14 PM To: Edwin Morales Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 21:08]: > well it's looking for that file, so how is that built...... > > > when building the actual .rom file I get > > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' misleading, i read you got this file already.. compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the configuration files and the documentation.. Stefan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:22:42 +0200 From: Peter Stuge <stuge-linuxbios(a)cdy.org> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo To: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <20050819202242.3782.qmail(a)cdy.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:08:06PM +0200, Michal Szwaczko wrote: > GRUB is much more flexible, and - if you read up a lot - it's easy. I have had it set up on a couple of different systems and I think one customer still has it, and configuration isn't the problem, while I think it's totally stupid to invent a new naming scheme where a common one already exists I don't have a problem adapting to it, but my issues have been with reliability. > I'd not say a word to you 2 years ago, because I was just that > conservative and trusted lilo. Seems, the only hurdle was prejudice > and wrong mindset about GRUB. Since then, I use GRUB exclusively. I've tried it, so strike prejudice, but wrong mindset I'll admit to. :) The problem I had with reliability came from the fact that GRUB stage 1 loads stage 1.5 from fs, and if that fs got corrupted no OS could be booted at all. I had to replace GRUB with MBR from DOS6 over the phone with one person. > So, maybe you should give it a shot one more time. Some time, I surely will. //Peter ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Sulmicki <adam(a)cfar.umd.edu> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo To: Richard Smith <smithbone(a)gmail.com> Cc: LinuxBIOS <linuxbios(a)openbios.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.62.0508191627560.13266(a)www.missl.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>> How do I use LILO to boot windows 2k? >> >> The usual way is to use either NTLDR or grub. Lilo is obsolete. >> > > IIRC I don't think grub works under the Bochs copy in LinuxBios but > its been awhile. Adam? looking at : http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/agnew/agnew_html/ seems it was grub, but it mentions lilo would work too. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:50:13 -0500 From: Richard Smith <smithbone(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo To: Adam Sulmicki <adam(a)cfar.umd.edu> Cc: LinuxBIOS <linuxbios(a)openbios.org> Message-ID: <8a0c36780508191350644c1101(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > looking at : > > http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/agnew/agnew_html/ > > seems it was grub, but it mentions lilo would work too. Ah.. Ok. I've got my wires crossed then. Thinking on it a bit more I believe its tinybios for the STPC that has the issue with grub. -- Richard A. Smith ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:46:15 -0700 From: yhlu <yinghailu(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb To: Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <2ea3fae105081915465681c0e8(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Etherboot YH On 8/19/05, Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> wrote: > sorry for the misleading information, my 'question asking skills' needs > much improvement > > i'll check out etherboot.org > > Regards, > -------- > // Ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Reinauer [mailto:stepan@openbios.org] > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:14 PM > To: Edwin Morales > Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org > Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb > > * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 21:08]: > > well it's looking for that file, so how is that built...... > > > > > when building the actual .rom file I get > > > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' > > misleading, i read you got this file already.. > > compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the > configuration files and the documentation.. > > Stefan > > > > > -- > LinuxBIOS mailing list > LinuxBIOS(a)openbios.org > http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:17:35 +0200 From: Miernik <miernik(a)ffii.org> Subject: [LinuxBIOS] can an Athlon64 work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N) board? To: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Message-ID: <20050820061735.3750.2.NOFFLE(a)localhost.localdomain.local> Will Athlon64 CPUs work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N) motherboard and will LinuxBIOS work in that configuration? -- Miernik _________________________ xmpp:miernik@amessage.info ___________________/_______________________/ mailto:miernik@ffii.org Protect Europe from a legal disaster. Petition against software patents http://www.noepatents.org/index_html?LANG=en ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ LinuxBIOS mailing list LinuxBIOS(a)openbios.org http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios End of LinuxBIOS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 31 ****************************************

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[LinuxBIOS] can an Athlon64 work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N) board?
by Miernik 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

Will Athlon64 CPUs work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N) motherboard and will LinuxBIOS work in that configuration? -- Miernik _________________________ xmpp:miernik@amessage.info ___________________/_______________________/ mailto:miernik@ffii.org Protect Europe from a legal disaster. Petition against software patents http://www.noepatents.org/index_html?LANG=en

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RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
by Edwin Morales 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

sorry for the misleading information, my 'question asking skills' needs much improvement i'll check out etherboot.org Regards, -------- // Ed -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Reinauer [mailto:stepan@openbios.org] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:14 PM To: Edwin Morales Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 21:08]: > well it's looking for that file, so how is that built...... > > > when building the actual .rom file I get > > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' misleading, i read you got this file already.. compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the configuration files and the documentation.. Stefan

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RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
by Edwin Morales 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

just following the lb manual on amd64 . when building the actual .rom file I get ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' regards, -------- // ed -----Original Message----- From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Reinauer Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:33 AM To: Edwin Morales Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 20:18]: > hi all, > > new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions. > > > > - how to care of the payload build error what build error? > - whether it be for etherboot or filo What's your question? > any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm try to be a bit more elaborate ;-) http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell Stefan -- LinuxBIOS mailing list LinuxBIOS(a)openbios.org http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

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[LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
by Edwin Morales 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

hi all, new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions. - how to care of the payload build error - whether it be for etherboot or filo any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm //ed

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Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo
by Stefan Reinauer 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

* Narahari, Narasimhaiah (IE10) <Narahari.Narasimhaiah(a)honeywell.com> [050819 11:51]: > > Sir, > > How do I use LILO to boot windows 2k? The usual way is to use either NTLDR or grub. Lilo is obsolete. http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/MS_Windows_NT_or.shtml http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html Stefan

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RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
by Edwin Morales 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

well it's looking for that file, so how is that built...... Regards, -------- // Ed -----Original Message----- From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Hamish Guthrie Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:05 PM To: Edwin Morales Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb So what???????????? --- there is not enough detail to even think about debugging Edwin Morales wrote: > just following the lb manual on amd64 . > > when building the actual .rom file I get > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf' > > > regards, > -------- > // ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org > [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Reinauer > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:33 AM > To: Edwin Morales > Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org > Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb > > * Edwin Morales <Morales(a)appro.com> [050819 20:18]: > >>hi all, >> >>new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions. >> >> >> >>- how to care of the payload build error > > > what build error? > > >>- whether it be for etherboot or filo > > > What's your question? > > >>any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm > > > try to be a bit more elaborate ;-) > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell > > Stefan > > > -- LinuxBIOS mailing list LinuxBIOS(a)openbios.org http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios

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[LinuxBIOS] Using lilo
by Narahari, Narasimhaiah (IE10) 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Sir, How do I use LILO to boot windows 2k? With regards, narahari

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[LinuxBIOS] SimNow
by yhlu 18 Aug '05

18 Aug '05

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~100481,00… if you have bsd for your MB, You can play LinuxBIOS on that. Next time, We don't need any target HW still can do LinuxBIOS dev. YH

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Re: [LinuxBIOS] Booting windows XP
by Adam Sulmicki 17 Aug '05

17 Aug '05

> > Have any body tried to boot "embedded XP with console redirected to serial > port" using LinuxBIOS (freebios + ADLO bochs)? i'm not familar with embedded XP. > Is it possible to boot XP with the LinuxBIOS that has no VGA support? generally speaking yes. -- Adam Sulmicki http://www.eax.com The Supreme Headquarters of the 32 bit registers

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