[LinuxBIOS] RE: LinuxBIOS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 31 - coreboot

22 Aug 2005

      Hi,
Did Any body face problems using nt-loader to boot Windows 2K?
With regards,
narahari
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   5. RE: newbie question of lb (Edwin Morales)
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   9. Re: newbie question of lb (yhlu)
  10. can an Athlon64 work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N)	board?
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:08:07 -0700
From: "Edwin Morales" Morales@appro.com
Subject: RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
To: hamish@prodigi.ch
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
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well it's looking for that file, so how is that built......
Regards,
--------
//  Ed
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From: linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org
[mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Hamish Guthrie
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:05 PM
To: Edwin Morales
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
So what???????????? --- there is not enough detail to even think about
debugging
Edwin Morales wrote:
...
just following the lb manual on amd64 .
when building the actual .rom file I get 
...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf'
regards,
// ed
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[mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Reinauer
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:33 AM
To: Edwin Morales
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb

Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com [050819 20:18]:

...
hi all,
new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions.

how to care of the payload build error

what build error?
...

whether it be for etherboot or filo

What's your question?
...
any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm
try to be a bit more elaborate ;-)
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:08:06 +0200
From: Michal Szwaczko mikey@wirelabs.net
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo
To: Peter Stuge stuge-linuxbios@cdy.org
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 20050819190806.GA10773@tokyo
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:04:37PM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote:

> Call me conservative, but I use LILO everywhere. GRUB has caused me
> nothing but trouble while LILO has worked flawlessly since that day
> many years ago when I first started using it.

GRUB is much more flexible, and - if you read up a lot - it's easy.
I'd not say a word to you 2 years ago, because I was just that conservative 
and trusted lilo. Seems, the only hurdle was prejudice and wrong mindset
about GRUB. Since then, I use GRUB exclusively. So, maybe you should give it
a shot one more time. 

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:13:36 +0200
From: Stefan Reinauer stepan@openbios.org
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
To: Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 20050819191336.GA24333@openbios.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

* Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com [050819 21:08]:
> well it's looking for that file, so how is that built......
>  
> > when building the actual .rom file I get 
> > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf'

misleading, i read you got this file already.. 

compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the
configuration files and the documentation..

Stefan 

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:20:42 +0200
From: Hamish Guthrie hamish@prodigi.ch
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
To: hamish@prodigi.ch
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org, Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com
Message-ID: 43064D2A.9070107@prodigi.ch
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I am not sure if my previous post just failed to hit the net or what, 
but, to re-iterate!!!

Hi Edwin,

I am sending you a quotation from a very good member of the open source 
community - I do not want to detract from your question, at all, but 
some of Marty's suggestions are good value for money.

I quote my friend Marty Connor

"You need to do a better job asking for help.  You provide very little 
in the way of information, and then you literally beg for help.

If you are having trouble with a project, then at least demonstrate that 
you have read (or attempted to read) the documentation.  There is also a 
mailing list for help specifically with that software, if you can't 
figure out the documentation or examples.

Also, in debugging, you should attempt to create simple test cases, and 
when they fail, send input, output, and what you thought should happen 
to the appropriate list for analysis.  Otherwise, all we can do is guess 
what might be happening.

I want to encourage you to proceed, but I also want to strongly suggest 
that if you want help, you need to show that the time of the people 
trying to help you is not wasted.  You can do this by showing that 
progress you have made, by producing output, and explaining in more 
detail what you did.

If your English skills are a problem, please find a friend who has 
better skills, and have them help you, in exchange for help with 
something they need help with.

I hope you succeed, but even more I hope that in this process you 
develop better debugging skills, and improve your methods of asking for 
help."

Marty said it all. I think his advice is really good, and if you really 
want help, follow the above steps.

Hamish

Hamish Guthrie wrote:
> So what???????????? --- there is not enough detail to even think about 
> debugging
> 
> 
> Edwin Morales wrote:
> 
>> just following the lb manual on amd64 .
>>
>> when building the actual .rom file I get 
>> ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf'
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> --------
>> // ed
>>  
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org
>> [mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Reinauer
>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:33 AM
>> To: Edwin Morales
>> Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
>> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
>>
>> * Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com [050819 20:18]:
>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> new to linuxbios and just have some basic build questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - how to care of the payload build error
>>
>>
>>  
>> what build error?
>>
>>
>>> - whether it be for etherboot or filo
>>
>>
>>
>> What's your question?
>>  
>>
>>> any quick tips are appreciated, anything but rtfm
>>
>>
>>
>> try to be a bit more elaborate ;-)
>>
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>>
> 

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:33:54 -0700
From: "Edwin Morales" Morales@appro.com
Subject: RE: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
To: "Stefan Reinauer" stepan@openbios.org
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 4B21D6C08BC8BA4A9530E43C980E58B01C35E4@hawk.appro.com
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

sorry for the misleading information, my 'question asking skills' needs
much improvement

i'll check out etherboot.org

Regards,
--------
//  Ed 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Reinauer [mailto:stepan@openbios.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:14 PM
To: Edwin Morales
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb

* Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com [050819 21:08]:
> well it's looking for that file, so how is that built......
>  
> > when building the actual .rom file I get 
> > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf'

misleading, i read you got this file already.. 

compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the
configuration files and the documentation..

Stefan 

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:22:42 +0200
From: Peter Stuge stuge-linuxbios@cdy.org
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo
To: linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 20050819202242.3782.qmail@cdy.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:08:06PM +0200, Michal Szwaczko wrote:
> GRUB is much more flexible, and - if you read up a lot - it's easy.

I have had it set up on a couple of different systems and I think one
customer still has it, and configuration isn't the problem, while I
think it's totally stupid to invent a new naming scheme where a
common one already exists I don't have a problem adapting to it, but
my issues have been with reliability.

> I'd not say a word to you 2 years ago, because I was just that
> conservative and trusted lilo. Seems, the only hurdle was prejudice
> and wrong mindset about GRUB. Since then, I use GRUB exclusively.

I've tried it, so strike prejudice, but wrong mindset I'll admit to.
:)

The problem I had with reliability came from the fact that GRUB stage
1 loads stage 1.5 from fs, and if that fs got corrupted no OS could
be booted at all. I had to replace GRUB with MBR from DOS6 over the
phone with one person.

> So, maybe you should give it a shot one more time.

Some time, I surely will.

//Peter

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Adam Sulmicki adam@cfar.umd.edu
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo
To: Richard Smith smithbone@gmail.com
Cc: LinuxBIOS linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: Pine.BSF.4.62.0508191627560.13266@www.missl.cs.umd.edu
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>>> How do I use LILO to boot windows 2k?
>>
>> The usual way is to use either NTLDR or grub. Lilo is obsolete.
>>
>
> IIRC I don't think grub works under the Bochs copy in LinuxBios but
> its been awhile.  Adam?

looking at :

http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/agnew/agnew_html/

seems it was grub, but it mentions lilo would work too.

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:50:13 -0500
From: Richard Smith smithbone@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Using lilo
To: Adam Sulmicki adam@cfar.umd.edu
Cc: LinuxBIOS linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 8a0c36780508191350644c1101@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> looking at :
> 
> http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/agnew/agnew_html/
> 
> seems it was grub, but it mentions lilo would work too.

Ah.. Ok.  I've got my wires crossed then.  Thinking on it a bit more I
believe its tinybios for the STPC that has the issue with grub.

-- 
Richard A. Smith

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:46:15 -0700
From: yhlu yinghailu@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
To: Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com
Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 2ea3fae105081915465681c0e8@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Etherboot

YH

On 8/19/05, Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com wrote:
> sorry for the misleading information, my 'question asking skills' needs
> much improvement
> 
> i'll check out etherboot.org
> 
> Regards,
> --------
> //  Ed
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Reinauer [mailto:stepan@openbios.org]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: Edwin Morales
> Cc: linuxbios@openbios.org
> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] newbie question of lb
> 
> * Edwin Morales Morales@appro.com [050819 21:08]:
> > well it's looking for that file, so how is that built......
> >
> > > when building the actual .rom file I get
> > > ...'payloads/tg3--filo_hda2_vga.zelf'
> 
> misleading, i read you got this file already..
> 
> compile etherboot from etherboot.org, and be sure to read the
> configuration files and the documentation..
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> LinuxBIOS mailing list
> LinuxBIOS@openbios.org
> http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
>

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:17:35 +0200
From: Miernik miernik@ffii.org
Subject: [LinuxBIOS] can an Athlon64 work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850
    G2N)	board?
To: linuxbios@openbios.org
Message-ID: 20050820061735.3750.2.NOFFLE@localhost.localdomain.local

Will Athlon64 CPUs work on a Tyan Tomcat K8S (S2850 G2N) motherboard and
will LinuxBIOS work in that configuration?

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