Hi.
Where could I find a DIP2PLCC adapter ? I'm trying to learn LinuxBIOS but I found out that the motherboard I'm trying to get running (VIA Epia 800 fanless) has a socketed PLCC chip. I checked out on the M-Systems web site and they just have DIP32 packages of DoChips (Millenium). These should be compatible 1:1 with the PLCC version, right? All I need is an adapter right?
You don't *have* to use a Disc On Chip. If you have an extra PLCC flash to play with, you could get LinuxBIOS up and running on the Epia and boot linux off of a hard drive or ide flash disk (compact flash with an ide adaptor perhaps). See the mailing list archives for Richard Smith's FAQ to learn more. - Adam Agnew
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Michel Belleau wrote:
Hi.
Where could I find a DIP2PLCC adapter ? I'm trying to learn LinuxBIOS but I found out that the motherboard I'm trying to get running (VIA Epia 800 fanless) has a socketed PLCC chip. I checked out on the M-Systems web site and they just have DIP32 packages of DoChips (Millenium). These should be compatible 1:1 with the PLCC version, right? All I need is an adapter right?
-- Michel Belleau michel.belleau@malaiwah.com _______________________________________________ Linuxbios mailing list Linuxbios@clustermatic.org http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
Where could I find a DIP2PLCC adapter ?
i just ordered E32-0035 (still waiting). E32-0030 seems to be too big (for my epia-m). in addition i got the RD1 BIOS Savior from http://www.ioss.com.tw/web/English/RD1BIOSSavior.html the PL version works for my 600mhz epia-m.
i also ordered a MD-2802-D08-V3 and a MD-2202-D128-V3. both come originally from www.m-sys.com (m-systems). on their website you can find a local reseller: http://www.m-sys.com/Content/Contact/MsysWorldwide.asp i am waiting for that as well.
currently (afaik) noone has tried to get linuxbios working like this. (if i am wrong then pls tell me!) the plan is to have linuxbios, the kernel and a small rootfs in this m-systems chip (MD-2802-D08-V3 = 8MByte -- can boot linuxbios on DIP motherboards, MD-2202-D128-V3 = 128MB -- but i've heard on this list that it is not possible to boot linuxbios with this chip... we'll see ;-) ). the chip will sit on the DIP2PLCC converter. the converter sits on the BIOS Savior in its first stage (to program the msystems chip easyly). and the BIOS Savior is plugged into the mainboard instead of the bios chip.
I'm trying to learn LinuxBIOS but I
that is what i do currently as well :)
found out that the motherboard I'm trying to get running (VIA Epia 800
what type of chassis do you use? mine is very small, but has the following disadvantages: * only slimline floppy/cdrom (will be very hard to find a smartcard reader which fits) * external power supply * no chassis intrusion detection * no lock possible on chassis * 2 chassis fans -- not so silent -- it is ok, but it could be better imho.
fanless) has a socketed PLCC chip. I checked out on the M-Systems web site and they just have DIP32 packages of DoChips (Millenium). These should be compatible 1:1 with the PLCC version, right?
i dont know yet 100% (but i really hope so!). but you'll find a report on this list as soon as i get the missing pieces :)
All I need is an adapter right?
and a bios savior to make programming easy. and a flash chip (there is one integrated in the bios savior, but that chip is only 256kbyte).
hope this answers some questions, niki
Selon Niki Waibel niki.waibel@newlogic.com:
Where could I find a DIP2PLCC adapter ?
That's what I did yesterday ;-)
i also ordered a MD-2802-D08-V3 and a MD-2202-D128-V3. both come originally from www.m-sys.com (m-systems). on their website you can find a local reseller: http://www.m-sys.com/Content/Contact/MsysWorldwide.asp i am waiting for that as well.
I ordered the 5V versions because my EPIA 800mhz board uses the "SST 39SF020A" flash chip which is rated at 4.5/5V. What board do you have?
currently (afaik) noone has tried to get linuxbios working like this. (if i am wrong then pls tell me!) the plan is to have linuxbios, the kernel and a small rootfs in this m-systems chip (MD-2802-D08-V3 = 8MByte -- can boot linuxbios on DIP motherboards, MD-2202-D128-V3 = 128MB -- but i've heard on this list that it is not possible to boot linuxbios with this chip... we'll see ;-) ). the chip will sit on the DIP2PLCC converter.
I ordered the 8Mbyte chip from tri-m and the DIP2PLCC adapter from epboard. I'm looking to integrate everything to the 8mb chip. I think it's really possible because I already made a linux boot disk (uclibc+busybox+mpg321) which connected itself to my home server and played mp3's as soon as it could.
what type of chassis do you use?
I made a custom chassis for prototyping use only ;-) The final stage of developpement will be to make something nice for the casing.
and a bios savior to make programming easy. and a flash chip (there is one integrated in the bios savior, but that chip is only 256kbyte).
I'm very curious and I want to learn everything ;-) My current project consists of:
VIA EPIA 800mhz all-on-board fanless mb DC-to-DC power supply (input: car voltage.. 14.4v) VWCDPIC adapter (to connect to the cd-changer input of my car (VW)) DIP2PLCC adapter (for the millenium chip) DoC Millenium (8mb, all right for the linuxbios + kernel + small fs)
My first goal is to make it boot in 3 seconds (i think linuxbios can help me achieve it) and start to play mp3's from whatever will be connected to it (for instance, an old hard drive and/or a dvd-rom drive). The mb will feed the audio to the VWCDPIC and the VWCDPIC will feed the commands from my oem head-unit to the computer (rs-232).
Right now, it's kinda slow to boot and only starts playing several seconds after i power-up the board.
I know there's already products that have the same functionnality on the market, but I want to learn for fun how everything is made and create my own product.
My next goal will be to make it play DVDs (once I get a cheap LCD), or rip audio CDs right on the hard drive connected to it, or diagnose what's wrong with my car (vag-com) or whatever I can think of.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Michel Belleau wrote:
My first goal is to make it boot in 3 seconds (i think linuxbios can help me achieve it) and start to play mp3's from whatever will be connected to it (for instance, an old hard drive and/or a dvd-rom drive). The mb will feed the audio to the VWCDPIC and the VWCDPIC will feed the commands from my oem head-unit to the computer (rs-232).
If you do this we'll put you and pictures of your stuff on linuxbios.org web page :-)
ron
On 12-Aug-2003 Michel Belleau wrote:
Selon Niki Waibel niki.waibel@newlogic.com:
Where could I find a DIP2PLCC adapter ?
That's what I did yesterday ;-)
i also ordered a MD-2802-D08-V3 and a MD-2202-D128-V3. both come originally from www.m-sys.com (m-systems). on their website you can find a local reseller: http://www.m-sys.com/Content/Contact/MsysWorldwide.asp i am waiting for that as well.
I ordered the 5V versions because my EPIA 800mhz board uses the "SST 39SF020A" flash chip which is rated at 4.5/5V. What board do you have?
bios savior rd1-pl is working. shitt! this is the 5V version ... it seems that i ordered the wrong devices...
currently (afaik) noone has tried to get linuxbios working like this. (if i am wrong then pls tell me!) the plan is to have linuxbios, the kernel and a small rootfs in this m-systems chip (MD-2802-D08-V3 = 8MByte -- can boot linuxbios on DIP motherboards, MD-2202-D128-V3 = 128MB -- but i've heard on this list that it is not possible to boot linuxbios with this chip... we'll see ;-) ). the chip will sit on the DIP2PLCC converter.
I ordered the 8Mbyte chip from tri-m and the DIP2PLCC adapter from epboard. I'm looking to integrate everything to the 8mb chip. I think it's really possible because I already made a linux boot disk (uclibc+busybox+mpg321) which connected itself to my home server and played mp3's as soon as it could.
sounds cool.
what type of chassis do you use?
I made a custom chassis for prototyping use only ;-) The final stage of developpement will be to make something nice for the casing.
ok. a car mp3 player needs a custom chassis :)
and a bios savior to make programming easy. and a flash chip (there is one integrated in the bios savior, but that chip is only 256kbyte).
I'm very curious and I want to learn everything ;-) My current project consists of:
VIA EPIA 800mhz all-on-board fanless mb DC-to-DC power supply (input: car voltage.. 14.4v) VWCDPIC adapter (to connect to the cd-changer input of my car (VW)) DIP2PLCC adapter (for the millenium chip) DoC Millenium (8mb, all right for the linuxbios + kernel + small fs)
My first goal is to make it boot in 3 seconds (i think linuxbios can help me achieve it) and start to play mp3's from whatever will be connected to it (for instance, an old hard drive and/or a dvd-rom drive). The mb will feed the audio to the VWCDPIC and the VWCDPIC will feed the commands from my oem head-unit to the computer (rs-232).
Right now, it's kinda slow to boot and only starts playing several seconds after i power-up the board.
I know there's already products that have the same functionnality on the market, but I want to learn for fun how everything is made and create my own product.
My next goal will be to make it play DVDs (once I get a cheap LCD), or rip audio CDs right on the hard drive connected to it, or diagnose what's wrong with my car (vag-com) or whatever I can think of.
good luck!
niki
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Niki Waibel wrote:
currently (afaik) noone has tried to get linuxbios working like this. (if i am wrong then pls tell me!) the plan is to have linuxbios, the kernel and a small rootfs in this m-systems chip (MD-2802-D08-V3 = 8MByte -- can boot linuxbios on DIP motherboards, MD-2202-D128-V3 = 128MB -- but i've heard on this list that it is not possible to boot linuxbios with this chip... we'll see ;-) ). the chip will sit on the DIP2PLCC converter. the converter sits on the BIOS Savior in its first stage (to program the msystems chip easyly). and the BIOS Savior is plugged into the mainboard instead of the bios chip.
I am glad you are doing this. We did in fact do this 3 years ago for SC 2000. It's a very nice way to go. Also, Andrew Ip ships DOCs formatted this way from cwlinux.com
ron
Selon ron minnich rminnich@lanl.gov:
I am glad you are doing this. We did in fact do this 3 years ago for SC 2000. It's a very nice way to go. Also, Andrew Ip ships DOCs formatted this way from cwlinux.com
Does Andrew have any HOWTO on how it must be formatted?
On Tuesday 12 August 2003 3:17 pm, Michel Belleau wrote:
Selon ron minnich rminnich@lanl.gov:
I am glad you are doing this. We did in fact do this 3 years ago for SC 2000. It's a very nice way to go. Also, Andrew Ip ships DOCs formatted this way from cwlinux.com
Does Andrew have any HOWTO on how it must be formatted?
I wrote an article for Linux User magazine a few months ago which explained how to put LinuxBios into a DoC, and I just about managed to get some instructions on formatting the root fs into the DoC at the end of the article.
http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/28/LinuxBIOS.pdf
Hope it's useful for you...
Regards,
Antony.
the sis630- howto has some discussion of MTD.
you can format MTD as anything -- ext3 for example, or a compressed file system.
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