[LinuxBIOS] Advantech 582x

[Erwan Velu]

Hey folks,

Does anyone have some experience booting an Advantech 582x board using 
linuxbios ?
http://taiwan.advantech.com.tw/unzipfunc/Unzip/1+GC+4181/PCM-5820.pdf

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[ron minnich]

On 10/15/07, Erwan Velu  wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Does anyone have some experience booting an Advantech 582x board using
> linuxbios ?
> http://taiwan.advantech.com.tw/unzipfunc/Unzip/1+GC+4181/PCM-5820.pdf

no, but is seems smiliar to the 5823 which was supported long ago.

ron

[Erwan Velu]

ron minnich a écrit :
> On 10/15/07, Erwan Velu  wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Does anyone have some experience booting an Advantech 582x board using
> > linuxbios ?
> > http://taiwan.advantech.com.tw/unzipfunc/Unzip/1+GC+4181/PCM-5820.pdf
>
> no, but is seems smiliar to the 5823 which was supported long ago.
>
> ron

Which version of LinuxBios should I use ? v1, v2, v3 ?

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[Stefan Reinauer]

* Erwan Velu  [071016 14:24]:
> ron minnich a écrit :
> > On 10/15/07, Erwan Velu  wrote:
> > > Hey folks,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have some experience booting an Advantech 582x board using
> > > linuxbios ?
> > > http://taiwan.advantech.com.tw/unzipfunc/Unzip/1+GC+4181/PCM-5820.pdf
> >
> > no, but is seems smiliar to the 5823 which was supported long ago.
> >
> > ron
>
> Which version of LinuxBios should I use ? v1, v2, v3 ?

the newest one that supports your board. Most development is still done
on v2, but that changes some time in the near future

[Uwe Hermann]

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 02:24:37PM +0200, Erwan Velu wrote:
> Which version of LinuxBios should I use ? v1, v2, v3 ?

You'll want to use LinuxBIOSv2.

Can you please post the output of 'lspci -tvnn' and 'superiotool -dV'
here? I think I can post a small patch for you to try on the board, it
is indeed very similar to other GX1-based boards.

Uwe.

[Erwan Velu]

Uwe Hermann a écrit :
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 02:24:37PM +0200, Erwan Velu wrote:
> > Which version of LinuxBios should I use ? v1, v2, v3 ?
>
> You'll want to use LinuxBIOSv2.
>
> Can you please post the output of 'lspci -tvnn' and 'superiotool -dV'
> here? I think I can post a small patch for you to try on the board, it
> is indeed very similar to other GX1-based boards.

-bash-3.2# lspci -tvvn
-[0000:00]-+-00.0  1078:0001
           +-0b.0  10ec:8139
           +-12.0  1078:0100
           +-12.1  1078:0101
           +-12.2  1078:0102
           +-12.3  1078:0103
           +-12.4  1078:0104
           -13.0  0e11:a0f8
-bash-3.2#

superiotool says that no SuperIO was found. Note that my system is very 
minimal, hope this doesn't affect the detection process.
I've been looking on the mobo, I found a Winbond W83977-AF-A, hope this 
helps.

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[Gregg C Levine]

Hello!
Just for fun I ran that same command on my Dell GX150 that I use for Linux
work, and this is what he said:
root@jimkirk:/# lspci -tvvn
-[0000:00]-+-00.0  8086:1130
                  +-02.0  8086:1132
                  +-1e.0-[0000:01]----0c.0  10b7:9200
                  +-1f.0  8086:2440
                  +-1f.1  8086:244b
                  +-1f.2  8086:2442
                  +-1f.3  8086:2443
                  +-1f.4  8086:2444
                    -1f.5  8086:2445
root@jimkirk:/#

Now would one of you be interested in explaining exactly what he responded
with? (Be careful of formatting errors.)
--
Gregg C Levine [e-mail]
"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linuxbios-bounces+hansolofalcon=[e-mail]

[mailto:linuxbios-
> bounces+hansolofalcon=[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Erwan

Velu
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:09 PM
> To: Uwe Hermann
> Cc: ron minnich; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Advantech 582x
>
> Uwe Hermann a écrit :
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 02:24:37PM +0200, Erwan Velu wrote:
> > > Which version of LinuxBios should I use ? v1, v2, v3 ?
> >
> > You'll want to use LinuxBIOSv2.
> >
> > Can you please post the output of 'lspci -tvnn' and 'superiotool -dV'
> > here? I think I can post a small patch for you to try on the board, it
> > is indeed very similar to other GX1-based boards.
>
> -bash-3.2# lspci -tvvn
> -[0000:00]-+-00.0  1078:0001
>            +-0b.0  10ec:8139
>            +-12.0  1078:0100
>            +-12.1  1078:0101
>            +-12.2  1078:0102
>            +-12.3  1078:0103
>            +-12.4  1078:0104
>            -13.0  0e11:a0f8
> -bash-3.2#
>
> superiotool says that no SuperIO was found. Note that my system is very
> minimal, hope this doesn't affect the detection process.
> I've been looking on the mobo, I found a Winbond W83977-AF-A, hope this
> helps.

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[Uwe Hermann]

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 04:48:35PM -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Hello!
> Just for fun I ran that same command on my Dell GX150 that I use for Linux
> work, and this is what he said:
> root@jimkirk:/# lspci -tvvn
> -[0000:00]-+-00.0  8086:1130
>                   +-02.0  8086:1132
>                   +-1e.0-[0000:01]----0c.0  10b7:9200
>                   +-1f.0  8086:2440
>                   +-1f.1  8086:244b
>                   +-1f.2  8086:2442
>                   +-1f.3  8086:2443
>                   +-1f.4  8086:2444
>                     -1f.5  8086:2445
> root@jimkirk:/#
>
> Now would one of you be interested in explaining exactly what he responded
> with? (Be careful of formatting errors.)

Please re-run as 'lspci -tvnn' (note the small but important
difference), and also post the 'superiotool -dV' output?

This is a very different board, though, it has nothing to do with the
AMD Geode GX1. Your's is an Intel-board which just happens to be called GX1.

Do you want to run LinuxBIOS on this one? Does flashrom work on the
board? Do you have a spare ROM chip, a null-modem cable etc. to test patches?

Uwe.

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello!
Actually in answer to your questions concerning such things as a null modem
cable, that one is a yes. The other problem is that this machine a Dell
GX150 is that he's an Intel job that is he's wearing both a native P3 and an
Intel branded chipset, it’s the I810 series.

Now it's my understanding that the Intel ones are still hands off until the
company decides to play fair with us. That is I believe the datasheets are
available to any developer who's writing ordinary programs, but the
initialization routines for BIOS developers, now that's a different story.
Probably granted only under an NDA. Ron, did Intel ever want to really
cooperate with the group? Or were they always this grouchy regarding the
whole idea?

Anyway Uwe this machine is my primary Linux development station. I only ran
the commands to see what they would return. Besides, for what I am planning
regarding this list's work it would be probably a Geode based system. Such
as the Advantech based gizmo that started this thread.

Good suggestions though.
--
Gregg C Levine [e-mail]
"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]

[mailto:[e-mail]] On
> Behalf Of Uwe Hermann
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:00 PM
> To: Gregg C Levine
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Advantech 582x
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 04:48:35PM -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> > Hello!
> > Just for fun I ran that same command on my Dell GX150 that I use for

Linux
> > work, and this is what he said:
> > root@jimkirk:/# lspci -tvvn
> > -[0000:00]-+-00.0  8086:1130
> >                   +-02.0  8086:1132
> >                   +-1e.0-[0000:01]----0c.0  10b7:9200
> >                   +-1f.0  8086:2440
> >                   +-1f.1  8086:244b
> >                   +-1f.2  8086:2442
> >                   +-1f.3  8086:2443
> >                   +-1f.4  8086:2444
> >                     -1f.5  8086:2445
> > root@jimkirk:/#
> >
> > Now would one of you be interested in explaining exactly what he

responded
> > with? (Be careful of formatting errors.)
>
> Please re-run as 'lspci -tvnn' (note the small but important
> difference), and also post the 'superiotool -dV' output?
>
> This is a very different board, though, it has nothing to do with the
> AMD Geode GX1. Your's is an Intel-board which just happens to be called

GX1.
> Do you want to run LinuxBIOS on this one? Does flashrom work on the
> board? Do you have a spare ROM chip, a null-modem cable etc. to test

patches?
> Uwe.
>
> http://www.hermann-uwe.de  | http://www.holsham-traders.de
> http://www.crazy-hacks.org | http://www.unmaintained-free-software.org

[Corey Osgood]

Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Hello!
> Actually in answer to your questions concerning such things as a null modem
> cable, that one is a yes. The other problem is that this machine a Dell
> GX150 is that he's an Intel job that is he's wearing both a native P3 and an
> Intel branded chipset, it’s the I810 series.
>
> Now it's my understanding that the Intel ones are still hands off until the
> company decides to play fair with us. That is I believe the datasheets are
> available to any developer who's writing ordinary programs, but the
> initialization routines for BIOS developers, now that's a different story.
> Probably granted only under an NDA. Ron, did Intel ever want to really
> cooperate with the group? Or were they always this grouchy regarding the
> whole idea?

Intel i810 is already partially (mostly) supported. It's not pretty and
not perfect, but the asus mew-vm is supported. There's no video support
atm though, that might present a bit of a challenge.

-Corey
> Anyway Uwe this machine is my primary Linux development station. I only ran
> the commands to see what they would return. Besides, for what I am planning
> regarding this list's work it would be probably a Geode based system. Such
> as the Advantech based gizmo that started this thread.
> Good suggestions though.
>
> Gregg C Levine [e-mail]
> "The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail]
>
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On
> > Behalf Of Uwe Hermann
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:00 PM
> > To: Gregg C Levine
> > Cc: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Advantech 582x
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 04:48:35PM -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > > Just for fun I ran that same command on my Dell GX150 that I use for
>
> Linux
> > > work, and this is what he said:
> > > root@jimkirk:/# lspci -tvvn
> > > -[0000:00]-+-00.0  8086:1130
> > >                   +-02.0  8086:1132
> > >                   +-1e.0-[0000:01]----0c.0  10b7:9200
> > >                   +-1f.0  8086:2440
> > >                   +-1f.1  8086:244b
> > >                   +-1f.2  8086:2442
> > >                   +-1f.3  8086:2443
> > >                   +-1f.4  8086:2444
> > >                     -1f.5  8086:2445
> > > root@jimkirk:/#
> > >
> > > Now would one of you be interested in explaining exactly what he
>
> responded
> > > with? (Be careful of formatting errors.)
> >
> > Please re-run as 'lspci -tvnn' (note the small but important
> > difference), and also post the 'superiotool -dV' output?
> >
> > This is a very different board, though, it has nothing to do with the
> > AMD Geode GX1. Your's is an Intel-board which just happens to be called
>
> GX1.
> > Do you want to run LinuxBIOS on this one? Does flashrom work on the
> > board? Do you have a spare ROM chip, a null-modem cable etc. to test
>
> patches?
> > Uwe.
> >
> > http://www.hermann-uwe.de  | http://www.holsham-traders.de
> > http://www.crazy-hacks.org | http://www.unmaintained-free-software.org

[Uwe Hermann]

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:26:49PM -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Actually in answer to your questions concerning such things as a null modem
> cable, that one is a yes. The other problem is that this machine a Dell
> GX150 is that he's an Intel job that is he's wearing both a native P3 and an
> Intel branded chipset, it’s the I810 series.

Actually, you're lucky here. The i810 is one of the few chipsets which
are supported (partly at least).

Uwe.

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello!
Indeed. According to Corey the chipset is indeed partly supported. However
it’s the video that isn't at the moment.

I would rather pick a target that's more completely supported. Are any of
the Soekris boards supported for example?
--
Gregg C Levine [e-mail]
"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]

[mailto:[e-mail]] On
> Behalf Of Uwe Hermann
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:34 PM
> To: Gregg C Levine
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Advantech 582x
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:26:49PM -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> > Actually in answer to your questions concerning such things as a null

modem
> > cable, that one is a yes. The other problem is that this machine a Dell
> > GX150 is that he's an Intel job that is he's wearing both a native P3

and an
> > Intel branded chipset, it’s the I810 series.
>
> Actually, you're lucky here. The i810 is one of the few chipsets which
> are supported (partly at least).
> Uwe.
>
> http://www.hermann-uwe.de  | http://www.holsham-traders.de
> http://www.crazy-hacks.org | http://www.unmaintained-free-software.org

[Peter Stuge]

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:37:58PM -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Are any of the Soekris boards supported for example?

Unfortunately not. The older boards use the Geode SC1100 which is
basically a GX1 and CS5530 combined into one, minus graphics.

I would rank the porting effort a 4 out of 10 because a lot of code
already supports the hardware, but it's still a new mainboard and I
think at least some of the low level code needs to be adapted.

The newer board uses the Geode LX I believe, which is even better
supported, but it's still a new mainboard. Effort 2-3 of 10.

Maybe the ALIX.1C board is interesting, it's made by a competitor to
soekris calles PC Engines and it also uses an LX.

//Peter

[Uwe Hermann]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:08:42PM +0200, Erwan Velu wrote:
> > Can you please post the output of 'lspci -tvnn' and 'superiotool -dV'
> > here? I think I can post a small patch for you to try on the board, it
> > is indeed very similar to other GX1-based boards.
>
> -bash-3.2# lspci -tvvn
> -[0000:00]-+-00.0  1078:0001
>           +-0b.0  10ec:8139
>           +-12.0  1078:0100
>           +-12.1  1078:0101
>           +-12.2  1078:0102
>           +-12.3  1078:0103
>           +-12.4  1078:0104
>           -13.0  0e11:a0f8

Some more info from IRC:

-bash-3.2# lspci -tvnn
-[0000:00]-+-00.0  Cyrix Corporation PCI Master [1078:0001]
           +-0b.0  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139]
           +-12.0  Cyrix Corporation 5530 Legacy [Kahlua] [1078:0100]
           +-12.1  Cyrix Corporation 5530 SMI [Kahlua] [1078:0101]
           +-12.2  Cyrix Corporation 5530 IDE [Kahlua] [1078:0102]
           +-12.3  Cyrix Corporation 5530 Audio [Kahlua] [1078:0103]
           +-12.4  Cyrix Corporation 5530 Video [Kahlua] [1078:0104]
           -13.0  Compaq Computer Corporation ZFMicro Chipset USB [0e11:a0f8]
> superiotool says that no SuperIO was found. Note that my system is very 
> minimal, hope this doesn't affect the detection process.
> I've been looking on the mobo, I found a Winbond W83977-AF-A, hope this 
> helps.

The board is an Advantech PCM-5820, Super I/O is a Winbond W83977AF, but
with a 0x77 revision (and 0x97 chip ID), which I couldn't find
documented in any datasheet so far. I fixed superiotool to detect it,
though.

I created an initial test patch for Erwan which he's gonna try soon,
here it is (for reference). It's incomplete of course, but enough for
a first try.

The board is used in a robot btw, something like this:
http://konilope.linuxeries.org/robot/DSCN0817_Med.jpg.17.html

This should make for some cool use-case of LinuxBIOS. Erwan, as soon as this
is working on the board/robot can you write up a short wiki article
with status table of what is working, and especially some boot speed
comparison with the proprietary BIOS? That would be very cool!

Photos or videos of the robot booting and doing stuff would be awesome, too :)

Thanks, Uwe.

[Uwe Hermann]

On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 01:17:55AM +0200, Uwe Hermann wrote:
> I created an initial test patch for Erwan which he's gonna try soon,
> here it is (for reference). It's incomplete of course, but enough for
> a first try.

OK, here's an update which actually even builds ;-)

Uwe.