The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is because you do not want other people know about the details of the project, to disappoint people or make their progress slow.
I do not ask trivial questions and far from the real knowledge necessary for the project. I ask the questions which hurts you guys because it targets your core knowledge you do not want to talk about.
The same behaviour is seen in Linux Kernel mailing list...
Knowledge expands by discussing the darkest areas of the matter not to keep it secrete in my opinion.
Hey, Rudolf, you wrote 6 lines attacking me instead of write one line to answer my questions. What is the reason for it you think?
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have the source and the Internet connection...
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:17 PM, anders@jenbo.dk anders@jenbo.dk wrote:
All your questions are answered on the wiki, in the make file or in the docs. Go read them.
Mvh Anders
----- Reply message ----- Fra: "Rudolf Marek" r.marek@assembler.cz Dato: tir., jul. 20, 2010 15:52 Emne: [coreboot] compiling coreboot Til: "ali hagigat" hagigatali@gmail.com Cc: coreboot@coreboot.org
You did not read my last email didn't you? Do you think we are an expert system to ask? Do you think we have time to waste with you? Of course not, if are not able to get this, go away and find some other people to bother.
No, thanks, Rudolf
Dne 20.7.2010 13:14, ali hagigat napsal(a):
If i execute only this command at the root folder of Coreboot source tree
:
make
Will the project be compiled with GCC of the system or GCC of the system will be patched and changed or it will be compiled exactly with regular GCC of the linux operating system?
Besides will be the object files in elf format and when they are linked? Is there any possibility for other formats?
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Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is because you do not want other people know about the details of the project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have the source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices: 1. Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest. 2. Pay someone to explain this in private. 3. Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and stress of a challenging and rewarding work.
I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of the science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new or to become ready for the projects in the market.
Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes of the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible technical people. Who you recommend and where are those?
I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough and I suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough for it!!
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger < c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is because you do not want other people know about the details of the
project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of
your
time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not
a
waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it
unless
you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have
the
source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices:
- Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
- Pay someone to explain this in private.
- Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat hagigatali@gmail.com wrote:
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and stress of a challenging and rewarding work.
I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of the science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new or to become ready for the projects in the market.
Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes of the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible technical people. Who you recommend and where are those?
I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough and I suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough for it!!
Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, and contribute it back to the project.
So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points: 1. Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project 2. Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or 3. GTFO!
-Corey
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is because you do not want other people know about the details of the project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have the source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices:
- Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
- Pay someone to explain this in private.
- Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
-- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
I think I just need to clarify a couple things:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat hagigatali@gmail.com wrote:
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) because you're developing a product to sell?
If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and stress of a challenging and rewarding work.
Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea!
I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of the science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new or to become ready for the projects in the market.
And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes along.
Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes of the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible technical people. Who you recommend and where are those?
http://www.coreboot.org/Products http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development
I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough and I suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough for it!!
I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, how many questions do you see like yours?
Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to write a working port.
-Corey
Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, and contribute it back to the project.
So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points:
- Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project
- Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time
educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or 3. GTFO!
-Corey
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is because you do not want other people know about the details of the project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have the source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices:
- Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
- Pay someone to explain this in private.
- Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
-- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
My motherboard will be Kontron, 986LCD-M/mITX.
I have not yet received it but very soon will have it. I am studying the technical info but answering my questions boosts my progress.
I am not planing to make a product for sale and trying to expand my knowledge about BIOS and PC. I have a good time to spend for this project but seems to have to learn many new things first and deal with some PDFs every day.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.comwrote:
I think I just need to clarify a couple things:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat hagigatali@gmail.com
wrote:
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) because you're developing a product to sell?
If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and
stress
of a challenging and rewarding work.
Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea!
I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of
the
science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new
or
to become ready for the projects in the market.
And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes along.
Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes
of
the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible
technical
people. Who you recommend and where are those?
http://www.coreboot.org/Products http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development
I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough
and I
suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough
for
it!!
I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, how many questions do you see like yours?
Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to write a working port.
-Corey
Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, and contribute it back to the project.
So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points:
- Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project
- Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time
educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or 3. GTFO!
-Corey
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It
is
because you do not want other people know about the details of the project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes
of
your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people
keep
their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about
economics,
politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i
waste
your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the
work
without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of
Coreboot
before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i
have
the source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices:
- Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
- Pay someone to explain this in private.
- Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
-- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Hi Ali,
I read the main log from you and the replies you have received. You try to do what most of us takes us a couple of months. I'm involved with the coreboot project from a couple of months now and working on a piece of custom hardware (Nokia IP530). And still i don't know all the ins and outs of the project. But i read a lot of specification documentation to understand how hardware and firmware should work. For this i Google a lot, and if i can't find it i will ask a "Smart Question".
To me it seems that you are not willing to read documentation thats out there. Besides reading documentation, it's necessary to read the source code of the project.
So therefor dealing with PDFs all day is the starting point of any project. After which you start with reading the code of the project that you first need. So you project is underway and your learing on the job.
I have only one thing to say further at this time: R.T.F.M, you can Google this or follow this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
I wish you good luck with de development of coreboot.
Marc
PS: A discussion to get it your way, will not work, there comes a time that people start ignoring you, and that cannot be your purpose i hope.
Op zaterdag 24-07-2010 om 10:33 uur [tijdzone +0430], schreef ali hagigat:
My motherboard will be Kontron, 986LCD-M/mITX.
I have not yet received it but very soon will have it. I am studying the technical info but answering my questions boosts my progress.
I am not planing to make a product for sale and trying to expand my knowledge about BIOS and PC. I have a good time to spend for this project but seems to have to learn many new things first and deal with some PDFs every day.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.com wrote: I think I just need to clarify a couple things:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood <corey.osgood@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat <hagigatali@gmail.com> wrote: >> My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to >> expand knowledge not to earn money!! There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) because you're developing a product to sell? >> >> If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get >> involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and stress >> of a challenging and rewarding work. Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea! >> >> I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of the >> science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new or >> to become ready for the projects in the market. And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes along. >> >> Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes of >> the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible technical >> people. Who you recommend and where are those? http://www.coreboot.org/Products http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional +development >> >> I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough and I >> suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough for >> it!! I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, how many questions do you see like yours? Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to write a working port. -Corey > > Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need > is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one > of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional > developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a > living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything > works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I > needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple > 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one > was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 > board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, > why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because > if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not > going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, > and contribute it back to the project. > > So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points: > 1. Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project > 2. Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time > educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or > 3. GTFO! > > -Corey > >> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger >> <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> let me explain a few things. >>> >>> On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote: >>> > The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is >>> > because you do not want other people know about the details of the >>> > project, >>> > >>> >>> We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly >>> and if you read the documentation. >>> >>> >>> > Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of >>> > your >>> > time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are >>> > not a >>> > waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep >>> > their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, >>> > politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste >>> > your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it >>> > unless >>> > you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!) >>> > >>> >>> We do not benefit from explaining things to you. >>> You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project >>> does not benefit from explaining things to you either. >>> BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a >>> customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any >>> work yourself. >>> >>> Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not >>> benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other >>> developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not >>> know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help >>> or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to >>> trolling. >>> >>> >>> > I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work >>> > without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot >>> > before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by >>> > Coreboot site!!? >>> > >>> >>> Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read >>> and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list >>> instructions instead. >>> >>> >>> > Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have >>> > the >>> > source and the Internet connection... >>> > >>> >>> And why don't you do that? >>> >>> You have three choices: >>> 1. Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest. >>> 2. Pay someone to explain this in private. >>> 3. Leave. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Carl-Daniel >> >> >> -- >> coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org >> http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >> >-- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:03 AM, ali hagigat hagigatali@gmail.com wrote:
My motherboard will be Kontron, 986LCD-M/mITX.
Good grief. That board is already supported!
http://www.coreboot.org/Kontron_986LCD-M_mITX
-Corey
I have not yet received it but very soon will have it. I am studying the technical info but answering my questions boosts my progress.
I am not planing to make a product for sale and trying to expand my knowledge about BIOS and PC. I have a good time to spend for this project but seems to have to learn many new things first and deal with some PDFs every day.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.com wrote:
I think I just need to clarify a couple things:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat hagigatali@gmail.com wrote:
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) because you're developing a product to sell?
If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and stress of a challenging and rewarding work.
Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea!
I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of the science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new or to become ready for the projects in the market.
And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes along.
Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes of the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible technical people. Who you recommend and where are those?
http://www.coreboot.org/Products http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development
I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough and I suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough for it!!
I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, how many questions do you see like yours?
Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to write a working port.
-Corey
Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, and contribute it back to the project.
So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points:
- Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project
- Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time
educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or 3. GTFO!
-Corey
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is because you do not want other people know about the details of the project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics, politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have the source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices:
- Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
- Pay someone to explain this in private.
- Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
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On 21-07-2010 14:06, ali hagigat wrote:
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
No the project is not about making money. If you pay some one to help you learn it, it would be a private deal between you and that person, not you and "coreboot".
I don't even know how to start a hallo world program in C, still I was able to port 2 boards, improve memory initilization for the 440BX chipset. My first mail to this list was to aske if my board was supported, my secound was sending the patch for the 440BX chip. So all the needed info to get started is clearly out there, you just have to want to read and understand it. The information that you will find on the wiki is probably more complete and more indebted then what you will get by asking some one as it has been thought threw a couple of times.
You won't really be learning that much about the PC BIOS from Coreboot, so if that is your goal you should probably look in to SeaBIOS or send emails to eurosupport@phoenix.com
- Anders
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