Hi,
Le vendredi 09 février 2018 à 14:33 -0500, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:41 AM, Mike Banon mikebdp2@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you very much for telling about EC-1.75 project! http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-1.75/tree/?h=3930-A1 Maybe some of its' elements could be borrowed for Origami if the hardware is similar? (haven't compared the datasheets)
There will probably be some things in common. I don't know how much of ec-1.75 is good enough to be reused though, or if it's maintainable, etc.. but yes, it could be a good starting point.
There is indeed a lot in common with that code, but the code itself is not structured and organized at all so reusing the codebase makes very little sense. I mostly use this code for reference and it has already proven useful (e.g. for special trickery that has to be implemented when going to low power mode).
@ Youness and Marty :
Proprietary firmware of KB9012 explicitly disables EDI - ENE Debug Interface (the protocol used to access the internal memory of KB9012) unless pin 42 is grounded _before_ powering the KB9012 controller ! Maybe its the same with your another KB ? If you ground that pin (not necessarily 42, your KB's pin number could be different) to put your EC into debug mode, maybe then you could successfully read/write it ?
Here is the full description of my successful KB9012 hardware flashing setup through the keyboard port using a flex cable with soldered wires: 0.5mm pitch makes it hard to solder directly to keyboard port, and also I like flex cable solution because its much faster to remove/insert a cable than to solder/desolder the wires
http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Flashing_KB9012_with_Bus_Pirate
^^^ Had to unite three grounds ( programmer's, mainboard's and KB9012's 42 pin ) to make it work
Currently we are actively working on the inclusion of KB9012 flashing support to the official flashrom - but its already possible via the unofficial patches. Changes 23258 - 23263 at the https://review.coreboot.org/#/q/projec t:flashrom
Note that the patches have been merged at this point, so ENE EDI support in flashrom is now ready. I am also wondering about using libflashrom to write an EDI debugger (since, after all, EDI has access to the whole external memory).
I haven't compared the datasheets of KB9012 and your KB, so I don't know if they are using exactly the same debug interface or it is slightly different (please check if there are differences, maybe you'll have to write some code)
I trust hardware flashing more than the software, especially your current AMI BIOS setup which isn't free software. Maybe the direct hardware flashing is also possible for you
Sure, you can trust hardware flashing more than software flashing, but I really need software flashing. If it was just for me, yeah, I could fiddle with it to flash it by hardware for my personal needs, but when it's about deploying it to all our customer base, that's another story, the only solution is software flashing. Obviously, it would have to work in coreboot, so whatever coreboot is doing wrong (or AMI is doing right.. my guess is that it's probably something with the EC ACPI code), we'd have to figure that out first in order to get the read/write support.
Either way, since the EC firmware resides in the SPI flash, it'll be no issue to reflash it both by software and hardware.
Latest status update for Origami-EC firmware: https://www.mail-archive.com/coreboot@coreboot.org/msg50646.html
Thanks! Good to see the status update on that.
In order to kickstart the development of the Origami-EC firmware, I am designing evaluation boards for both the KB9012 and the KB3930 that will expose most of the I/O ports with headers, LEDs, buttons, connectors, etc. The design is done with KiCAD and will be released under the GPLv3+ as part of the Origami-EC project. I am also preparing a debug board to reflash the EC on the G505s from the keyboard connector.
There is also ongoing work on the emulator and the SerialICE-like library for relatying and tracing I/O on the device via UART. Also, note that the emulator can now emulate a virtual console so it's already possible to build and interract with the firmware!
Cheers,
Paul
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Youness Alaoui kakaroto@kakaroto.homelinux.net wrote:
Hi Marty,
Unfortunately, the EC firmware on the Librems is not open and we have someone working on that aspect, but with everything we have to handle, I think it's only being done part time. We found something similar to you with the private submodule for the PS/2 module on the OLPC code. More specifically : http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/openec/2011-January/000158.html And http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-1.75/tree/?h=3930-A 1
I had opened a ticket a while ago here : https://tracker.pureos.net/T178 which mentions Origami-EC. I don't know the status of that project, maybe you can contact the developer (Paul Kocialkowski) and see where he's at with his development of that project (which, I need to mention, hasn't been publicly launched yet, as far as I know) and he might benefit from your help if you are interested in doing that. The last time we spoke he said : "The OLPC code is nowhere close to usable on any other platform. Additionally, it is so poorly written that I don't think it is a suitable codebase for any future development. On the other hand, my Origami-EC project (that I will publicly launch soon) should provide a flexible codebase to add support for new devices."
Note that the tracker ticket above is quite outdated, we know how to dump the EC (the problem was that it can't be done via hardware because the EC is on the same power rail as the 64KB flash chip, so when we power the flash via hardware, the EC boots and takes control of the SPI lines) but for some reason, we could only dump it via software (using ectool) through the AMI BIOS firmware, with coreboot, we only get 0xFF returned, I don't believe we had time to investigate the cause for that.
Sorry for not having any better news for you, but I hope this helps a little you at least.
Good luck, Youness.
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Marty E. Plummer hanetzer@startmail.com wrote:
Greetings,
Currently working on a port for the hp g7-2247us laptop, which features an ene kb3940q ec, which hopefully should be very similar to the kb3930 ec, which has a datasheet available to the public in a few places.
Said similar ec is used in some OLPC devices, as well as some purism devices, and I was hoping someone in the list would have some contacts with those guys so as to be able to use their ec firmware as a bit of a reference design, but the OLPC ec firmware repo has a 'private' submodule which I cannot access and I simply cannot find a repo for the purism ec firmware to reference.
Any assistance you could provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Marty E. Plummer
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Sure, you can trust hardware flashing more than software flashing, but I really need software flashing. If it was just for me, yeah, I could fiddle with it to flash it by hardware for my personal needs, but when it's about deploying it to all our customer base, that's another story, the only solution is software flashing. Obviously, it would have to work in coreboot, so whatever coreboot is doing wrong (or AMI is doing right.. my guess is that it's probably something with the EC ACPI code), we'd have to figure that out first in order to get the read/write support.
Either way, since the EC firmware resides in the SPI flash, it'll be no issue to reflash it both by software and hardware.
On the librems, the EC firmware resides in a separate 64KB SPI flash, it's not shared with the bios, and I haven't found a way to access it. The 'ectool' is able to read it (ram idx reads if i remember correctly) but it only worked with AMI BIOS. So there will definitely be some work to be done there. You probably know a lot more about this already, like what this 'ram idx' is, and why it didn't work in coreboot, or if it's possible to read/write the flash using this EDI interface, etc...
Latest status update for Origami-EC firmware: https://www.mail-archive.com/coreboot@coreboot.org/msg50646.html
Thanks! Good to see the status update on that.
In order to kickstart the development of the Origami-EC firmware, I am designing evaluation boards for both the KB9012 and the KB3930 that will expose most of the I/O ports with headers, LEDs, buttons, connectors, etc. The design is done with KiCAD and will be released under the GPLv3+ as part of the Origami-EC project. I am also preparing a debug board to reflash the EC on the G505s from the keyboard connector.
There is also ongoing work on the emulator and the SerialICE-like library for relatying and tracing I/O on the device via UART. Also, note that the emulator can now emulate a virtual console so it's already possible to build and interract with the firmware!
That's some really great news. A dev board will definitely be useful for testing/debugging/developing Origami-EC!
Cheers,
Paul
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Youness Alaoui kakaroto@kakaroto.homelinux.net wrote:
Hi Marty,
Unfortunately, the EC firmware on the Librems is not open and we have someone working on that aspect, but with everything we have to handle, I think it's only being done part time. We found something similar to you with the private submodule for the PS/2 module on the OLPC code. More specifically : http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/openec/2011-January/000158.html And http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-1.75/tree/?h=3930-A 1
I had opened a ticket a while ago here : https://tracker.pureos.net/T178 which mentions Origami-EC. I don't know the status of that project, maybe you can contact the developer (Paul Kocialkowski) and see where he's at with his development of that project (which, I need to mention, hasn't been publicly launched yet, as far as I know) and he might benefit from your help if you are interested in doing that. The last time we spoke he said : "The OLPC code is nowhere close to usable on any other platform. Additionally, it is so poorly written that I don't think it is a suitable codebase for any future development. On the other hand, my Origami-EC project (that I will publicly launch soon) should provide a flexible codebase to add support for new devices."
Note that the tracker ticket above is quite outdated, we know how to dump the EC (the problem was that it can't be done via hardware because the EC is on the same power rail as the 64KB flash chip, so when we power the flash via hardware, the EC boots and takes control of the SPI lines) but for some reason, we could only dump it via software (using ectool) through the AMI BIOS firmware, with coreboot, we only get 0xFF returned, I don't believe we had time to investigate the cause for that.
Sorry for not having any better news for you, but I hope this helps a little you at least.
Good luck, Youness.
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Marty E. Plummer hanetzer@startmail.com wrote:
Greetings,
Currently working on a port for the hp g7-2247us laptop, which features an ene kb3940q ec, which hopefully should be very similar to the kb3930 ec, which has a datasheet available to the public in a few places.
Said similar ec is used in some OLPC devices, as well as some purism devices, and I was hoping someone in the list would have some contacts with those guys so as to be able to use their ec firmware as a bit of a reference design, but the OLPC ec firmware repo has a 'private' submodule which I cannot access and I simply cannot find a repo for the purism ec firmware to reference.
Any assistance you could provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Marty E. Plummer
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