Hello David,
We need open dialogue with vendors more than we need obnoxious commentary from certain individuals.
I see... I hit hard INTEL... Again! And INTEL is NOT (at all) happy about that, I can read between the lines. :-)
It is NOT matter of open dialogue with vendors. It is matter of direct INTERESTS between GOOGLE and INTEL, *where The TRUTH is completely sacrificed*.
Sorry to be straight honest with you. The Truth here is the biggest victim. But... It depends what your interests are, and how these interests convert, convert into what?! ;-)
Anyway, all said IMHO!
Zoran _______
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, David Hendricks david.hendricks@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Ivan Ivanov qmastery16@gmail.com wrote:
Regarding the FSP-S thread - sorry, but I did not see any derailment. The whole thread - 'Why do we have FSP-S' - is about "why we should have more blobs when we already have enough?" And its understandable that some people got upset while seeing how coreboot is slowly turning from being almost completely open source to the big collection of blobs launching each other. Hopefully this reply would not get me removed...
The problem is the animosity some members brought to the other thread, complete with conspiracy theories about "corporate control", insults directed Intel, and negative comments about coreboot.
Just because someone doesn't like a particular vendor or blobs doesn't mean they should interject with rude comments and prevent others from having a civil discussion. The FSP-S thread illustrates exactly why companies don't "consult the community" before doing things. If the mailing list can't be used to discuss things with major hardware vendors then these discussions will simply happen elsewhere without any community input.
We need open dialogue with vendors more than we need obnoxious commentary from certain individuals.
Best regards, Ivan Ivanov
2018-05-01 19:07 GMT+03:00 ron minnich rminnich@gmail.com:
We've had to remove people from the list before, and I suppose at some
point
it might have to happen again. Nobody likes this option. Sometimes
there is
no choice.
I agree that on a technical discussion list there's no place for
abusive
language. We're all trying to do the best we can in a non-ideal world.
ron
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:03 AM David Hendricks <
david.hendricks@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello all, Recently I've noticed an uptick in threads going off-topic. While some noise should be expected on an open source mailing list, I think it's
become
very counterproductive in many recent cases. A good example is the
FSP-S
thread going on where we see clear examples of people interjecting
with
non-technical diatribes and disrespecting developers, corporate contributors, and coreboot itself in violation of the existing
community
standards (https://coreboot.org/Code_of_Conduct).
Most of this is perpetrated by a very small handful of individuals who have not contributed anything to the codebase, so I think the current problem could be dealt with easily. It might also be worth adding
something
about keeping threads on-topic and focused on technology in the Code
of
Conduct.
Another option would be to have a developer-only mailing list, but I
think
it's best to try and keep things open to the community at large even
if that
means ejecting the most disruptive members.
Thoughts?
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