Apr 13, 2022, 06:10 by 0xloem@gmail.com:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 6:26 AM Patrick Georgi <> patrick@coreboot.org> > wrote:
Am 12.04.2022 um 23:54 schrieb Karl Semich:
Obviously a way to sidestep all this would be to simply test the board in question, which is a small investment of money and time.
I appreciate that you volunteer to do that for Quark. Can't be too bad, it's a small investment of money and time, after all.
Sorry, have I offended you? What is it you read me as saying?
Does this seem lengthy or expensive to you?
Hi Karl, I don't think Patrick felt offended or even meant to offend. Unfortunately, there's been a lot of "Well, coreboot could just..." without a good explanation of how such a thing gets accomplished with the resources we have available to us. Patrick was a little short, but we'd honestly love to have someone offer to take up a task like testing a board or two, but the suggestion usually seems to be that it should just get added to our (already overflowing) plates.
You're right that testing a single board isn't a huge amount of work, but it definitely consumes resources. We need space, power, internet, the device to test, time to set the test device up, a hardware flash tool, a server to communicate with the test device, and a person to fix any issues when something breaks.
I think we all agree that it'd be good to have test racks that have all of the boards in the coreboot repository for verification, however that's currently not practical with the resources we have. The whole thing just isn't a simple problem to solve.
I'm actually also not completely convinced that just testing the boards is the solution to whether or not we keep a board/chip on the mastre branch. If there really aren't any people using coreboot on their quark boards, then personally, I don't see any need to keep it in the master branch. I know others feel differently, but as I said earlier in this thread, I don't think there's actually any harm in moving an aging or little-used platform to be maintained on a branch.
If you have thoughts on how we can overcome any of these issues, I'd love to discuss things with you further.
Take care. Martin