I just want to rise, RESPECTFULLY, *YOUR* paradox :
Look you are talking about spams on maillist right ? >: Gosh ! And you dare keeping up the title flash_n_burn rom utils, /dev/bios ... title that has no meaning in regards of your mail's content. That's a bit strong ! As a result (maybe) a depreciation of the original topic : who'd like to follow a swinging topic from flashin' chips to spam issue on maillist ?
Nevertheless, this resquest (the early one : "fear" of the hot plug and means to avoid it) on which you gained attention -as you said- may be not of your interest but you could respect it and not try (intended or not !) to pollute it.
Have you noticed, moreover, it seems to be a shared resquest (many reactions) ?
For all his, I think that you've act like people you denounce and I'am sorry for you.
respectfully and with no hard feelings mathieu
ps final 'peak' : IMO, putting [linuxbios] before titles is a *bad* idea : on a linuxbios maillist, the only root topic is linuxbios obviously so no need to repeat it in title ...
Le mer 21/04/2004 à 07:50, Chris a écrit :
I am not saying it is, just that when you view the subject
lines they often
appear like subjects designed to foil filtering systems
Subject lines are for humans the other headers are for machines.
I have given up on filters. Dont trust them to do the job. so I use them to pick the obvious spam then the remaining emails get scanned by trusty human eye and brain for the final decision.
Unfortunately some of the very cryptic subject lines appear to be spam so I tossed the first few until I realised my mistake. (bugger does that make me as reliable as spam filters)
I will try the list-id header. and mark it as friendly if it has it.
Re: [linuxbios] Re: [linuxbios]
If the list server placed the tag in it wouldn't be a problem and no-one would have to type it the list server can delete any redundant tags and then forward the mail
As for adding numbers for general categories that is just silly. If you want to describe what is going on feel free to add: [IDEA] or [PATCH] or whatever. Enumerations with numerical values are just silly when they are for human consumption.
not really its just shorter to read and write, with only 6 choices the ASRG works very well
The next logical step is to progress forward to writing programs in machine code to give more control so they are not susceptible to viruses.
now your just being really silly
Regards Chris
-----Original Message----- From: Eric W. Biederman [mailto:eric@lnxi.com]On Behalf Of Eric W. Biederman Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 3:03 PM To: Chris Cc: John Usher (Maptek); linuxbios@clustermatic.org Subject: Re: flash_n_burn rom utils, /dev/bios ... resquest
"Chris" linuxbios@rebel.com.au writes:
Hi
I am new to this group and currently in the lurk stage
but can I pass a comment/suggestion.
I get a huge amount of spam, and on a cursory glance a lot of
the mail from
this group "appears" spammy
I am not saying it is, just that when you view the subject
lines they often
appear like subjects designed to foil filtering systems
Subject lines are for humans the other headers are for machines.
can I suggest a standard element be placed in the subject line such as I have done
that way it will be easier to seperate the linux bios mailings
from the spam
mailings
Look at the List-Id: that should be completely constant. That is what I filter by and it makes it trivial. I filter not to get rid of spam but to separate the LinuxBIOS mailing list traffic and the linux kernel mailing list traffic etc.
If you want something practically spoof proof ask for the mailing list to gpg sign messages. Then you can be certain the message at least came from the mailing list.
I have not seen any spam come through this mailing list. Or even spoofed as such.
If you really want to stop spam. Don't concentrate on the fact that it is unwanted mail. Concentrate on the fact that it is bulk mail, and that it is generally fraudulent. Detecting mail is passing in bulk or that it does not have a legitimate source do not sound like hard problems.
I am also a member of the ASRG "Anti Spam Research Group" and they use a system that looks like this
subject: [ASRG] 3: description
the number is for pre-organised topics such as 0 = general 1 = new ideas etc...
Things like that get extremely ugly when you cross post, or the mailing system does not recognize your Re: line so you get things like:
Re: [linuxbios] Re: [linuxbios] or: Re: [linuxbios] RE: flash_n_burn rom utils, /dev/bios, ... resquest
And we have a diverse enough crowd we don't get consistent recognition of the Re: line anyway. Yhlu I think posts with Chinese character set which makes things interesting.
Hacked subject lines just clutter up things up.
As for adding numbers for general categories that is just silly. If you want to describe what is going on feel free to add: [IDEA] or [PATCH] or whatever. Enumerations with numerical values are just silly when they are for human consumption. The next logical step is to progress forward to writing programs in machine code to give more control so they are not susceptible to viruses.
Eric
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