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coreboot community meeting minutes for June 8, 2017
by Martin Roth 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

These are the minutes from yesterday's coreboot community meeting. Information about the next meeting is at the bottom. Today's meeting was very short again, with not much news due to a focus on the Denver conference for the past couple of weeks. We had a total of 7 people attending. ####################################################################### Date: Thursday, June 8, 2017 Infrastructure News * Gerrit was updated to version 2.14 - May be having some server errors? This was reported on the IRC channel. - New user interface can be selected with the "New UI" button at the bottom of the page. * Need to check on coreboot REACTS instance - Philipp and Martin plan to update this over the next week * Jenkins servers are using docker image v1.44a - This added the Ada toolchain to the image. This update actually happened a couple months back. Conferences * Denver coreboot conference finished yesterday - Follow-up messages were sent out to attendees to see what should be changed and what should stay the same in future meetings. - We will start getting videos posted over the weekend - A significant amount of editing needs to happen to combine the audio and video streams. ################################################################## Next meeting is Thursday, June 22, 2017 Check the coreboot calendar for the time in your timezone https://www.coreboot.org/calendar.html Join using the bluejeans web app or the phone bridge: https://bluejeans.com/616384323 Phone bridge call in numbers: https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Meeting ID: 616384323 Current agenda & history: https://coreboot-meeting.pads.ccc.de/CommunityMeetingTopics

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Re: [coreboot] AMD EPYC and PSP
by Rene Shuster 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Not an expert obviously, but I was under the impression the Digital Restriction Management was achieved through Widevine. No? On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Georgi <pgeorgi(a)google.com> wrote: > Since these discussions flare up time and time again (without ever being > resolved in any productive way because the discussion happens in the wrong > forum [0]): > Netflix et al are (probably) required by their contracts with the content > providers (producers, distributors) to make it reasonably hard to access > the unencrypted bits of sufficiently high quality video (discussing the > merit and feasibility of these approaches should also happen elsewhere [0]). > The PSP (or ME, or ARM TrustZone) provide the technical means for a > programmable DRM path (what Intel calls the PAVP, protected audio/video > path, which seems to be partly implemented by the ME) with sufficient > security guarantees that Netflix et al are willing to risk sending HD (or > 4K or better) video through that channel. > > Therefore: A CPU with PSP/ME/ARM TZ is one that won't support Netflix [1]. > > > Patrick > > [0] Preaching to the choir is fun the first 10 times. It's slightly less > fun the next 10 times. And totally tedious the 1000th-1010th times. Sorry > that you're late to the party but that's not our fault. > Worse, debating these things here helps nothing since the people that you > really should to talk to for making a difference aren't subscribed to > technical lists like this one. They probably play golf and enjoy the sun. > You can likely talk to them if you present a business case with ~8 > significant non-zero digits in some currency not very unlike the USD. While > playing golf. And enjoying the sun. > > [1] It's quite possible to build designs that come without such a "locked > down processor with access to everything". There's also little money to be > had in building these, while the current designs have a certain level of > maturity that makes any significant deviation a serious risk: These chains > of contracts that connect these coprocessors with Hollywood (probably) come > with contractual penalties for breaches that result from reckless behavior > (such as changing the security architecture nilly-willy). "Not rocking the > boat" is a rather sensible option under such constraints. > Those ~8 significant digits in some USD-style currency mentioned earlier > might help change that risk assessment. You won't be able to crowdfund them > here. > > 2017-06-08 21:00 GMT+02:00 Rene Shuster <rene.shuster(a)bcsemail.org>: > >> Nico, >> Would you mind to elaborate and enlighten us on this matter? >> >> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Nico Huber <nico.h(a)gmx.de> wrote: >> >>> On 08.06.2017 16:48, Johnysecured88 via coreboot wrote: >>> > Does anyone anticipate the new EPYC cpus not having PSP? >>> >>> Well, I don't. The answer is quite simple if you ask the question >>> differently: Do you expect AMD to drop Netflix support? >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> >>> -- >>> coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org >>> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech III * AppControl * Endpoint Protection * Server Maintenance >> Buncombe County Schools Technology Department Network Group >> ComicSans Awareness Campaign <http://comicsanscriminal.com> >> >> -- >> coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org >> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >> > > > > -- > Google Germany GmbH, ABC-Str. 19, 20354 Hamburg > Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891, Sitz der Gesellschaft: > Hamburg > Geschäftsführer: Matthew Scott Sucherman, Paul Terence Manicle > -- Tech III * AppControl * Endpoint Protection * Server Maintenance Buncombe County Schools Technology Department Network Group ComicSans Awareness Campaign <http://comicsanscriminal.com>

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Re: [coreboot] AMD EPYC and PSP
by Patrick Georgi 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Since these discussions flare up time and time again (without ever being resolved in any productive way because the discussion happens in the wrong forum [0]): Netflix et al are (probably) required by their contracts with the content providers (producers, distributors) to make it reasonably hard to access the unencrypted bits of sufficiently high quality video (discussing the merit and feasibility of these approaches should also happen elsewhere [0]). The PSP (or ME, or ARM TrustZone) provide the technical means for a programmable DRM path (what Intel calls the PAVP, protected audio/video path, which seems to be partly implemented by the ME) with sufficient security guarantees that Netflix et al are willing to risk sending HD (or 4K or better) video through that channel. Therefore: A CPU with PSP/ME/ARM TZ is one that won't support Netflix [1]. Patrick [0] Preaching to the choir is fun the first 10 times. It's slightly less fun the next 10 times. And totally tedious the 1000th-1010th times. Sorry that you're late to the party but that's not our fault. Worse, debating these things here helps nothing since the people that you really should to talk to for making a difference aren't subscribed to technical lists like this one. They probably play golf and enjoy the sun. You can likely talk to them if you present a business case with ~8 significant non-zero digits in some currency not very unlike the USD. While playing golf. And enjoying the sun. [1] It's quite possible to build designs that come without such a "locked down processor with access to everything". There's also little money to be had in building these, while the current designs have a certain level of maturity that makes any significant deviation a serious risk: These chains of contracts that connect these coprocessors with Hollywood (probably) come with contractual penalties for breaches that result from reckless behavior (such as changing the security architecture nilly-willy). "Not rocking the boat" is a rather sensible option under such constraints. Those ~8 significant digits in some USD-style currency mentioned earlier might help change that risk assessment. You won't be able to crowdfund them here. 2017-06-08 21:00 GMT+02:00 Rene Shuster <rene.shuster(a)bcsemail.org>: > Nico, > Would you mind to elaborate and enlighten us on this matter? > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Nico Huber <nico.h(a)gmx.de> wrote: > >> On 08.06.2017 16:48, Johnysecured88 via coreboot wrote: >> > Does anyone anticipate the new EPYC cpus not having PSP? >> >> Well, I don't. The answer is quite simple if you ask the question >> differently: Do you expect AMD to drop Netflix support? >> >> Nico >> >> >> -- >> coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org >> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >> > > > > -- > Tech III * AppControl * Endpoint Protection * Server Maintenance > Buncombe County Schools Technology Department Network Group > ComicSans Awareness Campaign <http://comicsanscriminal.com> > > -- > coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > -- Google Germany GmbH, ABC-Str. 19, 20354 Hamburg Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Geschäftsführer: Matthew Scott Sucherman, Paul Terence Manicle

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Re: [coreboot] AMD EPYC and PSP
by Nico Huber 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

On 08.06.2017 16:48, Johnysecured88 via coreboot wrote: > Does anyone anticipate the new EPYC cpus not having PSP? Well, I don't. The answer is quite simple if you ask the question differently: Do you expect AMD to drop Netflix support? Nico

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AMD EPYC and PSP
by Johnysecured88 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Does anyone anticipate the new EPYC cpus not having PSP? Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

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Re: [coreboot] Coreboot + Seabios Asus F2A85-M LE card
by Piotr Kubaj 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Do you use the internal GPU or external? If you use internal, you probably need firmware from AMD (SeaVGABIOS won't work). If you have external GPU, you don't need VGA option ROM at all. Anyway, you don't need SeaVGABIOS. You also put CONFIG_QEMU_HARDWARE=y, which is unnecessary.

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Re: [coreboot] Coreboot + Seabios Asus F2A85-M LE card
by Gabriel Bosque 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

I forgot the .configs... 2017-06-08 8:21 GMT-03:00 Gabriel Bosque <gabriel.bosque(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks for the feedback! > I imagine I just need to put the vbios file if the video card is not > default ... anyway could you suggest a file for me to test? (For this > motherboard model) > > 2017-06-08 0:01 GMT-03:00 Rafael Machado <rafaelrodrigues.machado@ > gmail.com>: > >> Hi Gabriel. >> Since you are beginning in this world, be really carefull about using >> binaries you do not know the content. You could have a virus or a something >> similar installed on your system. :) >> >> Happy studies! >> >> Em Qua, 7 de jun de 2017 16:18, Taiidan(a)gmx.com <Taiidan(a)gmx.com> >> escreveu: >> >>> You probably forgot to include the required VBIOS file required to use >>> the integrated video. >>> >>> Any serial output? >>> On 06/07/2017 09:43 AM, Gabriel Bosque wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, thank you for accepting me in the group. >>> I am totally newbie, however, I would very much like to have a pc running >>> coreboot + seabios on an Asus F2A85-M LE card, could someone send me a .rom >>> to write to memory? >>> I have tried to compile, but nothing appears on the display ... I think if >>> you confirm that it actually runs, it becomes easier to get the doubts >>> later, through this group >>> Thank you very much >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org >>> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >> >> >

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ASUS KFSN4-DRE Automated Test Failure [master]
by Raptor Engineering Automated Coreboot Test Stand 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

The ASUS KFSN4-DRE fails verification for branch master as of commit 2e7f6ccafc3e633ed9001b3c3863253ee0630429 The following tests failed: VIDEO_FAILURE Commits since last successful test: 2e7f6cc fsp/gop: Add running the GOP to the choice of gfx init d4ebeaf device/Kconfig: Put gfx init methods into a `choice` 26ce9af device/Kconfig: Introduce MAINBOARD_FORCE_NATIVE_VGA_INIT eb881d4 3rdparty/libgfxinit: Update submodule pointer 7b79a33 3rdparty/libhwbase: Update submodule pointer See attached log for details This message was automatically generated from Raptor Engineering's ASUS KFSN4-DRE test stand Want to test on your own equipment? Check out https://www.raptorengineering.com/content/REACTS/intro.html Raptor Engineering also offers coreboot consulting services! Please visit https://www.raptorengineering.com for more information Please contact Timothy Pearson at Raptor Engineering <tpearson(a)raptorengineering.com> regarding any issues stemming from this notification

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Re: [coreboot] APTIO
by Rene Shuster 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

I'll prefer text-based over GUI due to the faster way of navigating through the menus, but then I saw the mouse pointer on the screenshots... Worst is when the defacto standard of text-based navigation with TAB / SHIFT+TAB / arrow keys / SPACE (select) is implemented sloppy (or not working at all and you are forced to use a mouse) or when TABing through the settings is not in order (recent example: DELL Precision 7510). On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Julius Werner <jwerner(a)chromium.org> wrote: > But does it have Bluetooth support? I feel like I should really be > able to use my Bluetooth mouse to configure my DRAM timings. > > Also no .webp for the splash screen image... like some sort of BIOS > from 2010. Sad. > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:16 PM, ron minnich <rminnich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > read it and weep, or something. > > > > https://ami.com/ami_downloads/Aptio_TSE_Data_Sheet.pdf > > > > -- > > coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org > > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > > -- > coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > -- Tech III * AppControl * Endpoint Protection * Server Maintenance Buncombe County Schools Technology Department Network Group ComicSans Awareness Campaign <http://comicsanscriminal.com>

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Re: [coreboot] Coreboot + Seabios Asus F2A85-M LE card
by Gabriel Bosque 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Thanks for the feedback! I imagine I just need to put the vbios file if the video card is not default ... anyway could you suggest a file for me to test? (For this motherboard model) 2017-06-08 0:01 GMT-03:00 Rafael Machado <rafaelrodrigues.machado(a)gmail.com> : > Hi Gabriel. > Since you are beginning in this world, be really carefull about using > binaries you do not know the content. You could have a virus or a something > similar installed on your system. :) > > Happy studies! > > Em Qua, 7 de jun de 2017 16:18, Taiidan(a)gmx.com <Taiidan(a)gmx.com> > escreveu: > >> You probably forgot to include the required VBIOS file required to use >> the integrated video. >> >> Any serial output? >> On 06/07/2017 09:43 AM, Gabriel Bosque wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, thank you for accepting me in the group. >> I am totally newbie, however, I would very much like to have a pc running >> coreboot + seabios on an Asus F2A85-M LE card, could someone send me a .rom >> to write to memory? >> I have tried to compile, but nothing appears on the display ... I think if >> you confirm that it actually runs, it becomes easier to get the doubts >> later, through this group >> Thank you very much >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> coreboot mailing list: coreboot(a)coreboot.org >> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > >

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