Doesn't look like it:
http://www.ioss.com.tw/web/English/RD1BIOSSavior/SelectionSheet.html
Does your mainboard actually come with an 8mb chip? Looks like you
might need to settle for 4mb if you require a BIOS Savior
--David
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:43:17 -0600
"Young, Jeff" <Jeff.Young(a)gd-ais.com> wrote:
>
> I can't seem to find a BIOS Savior for an 8mb chip. Does it exist?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Young
I think I'll go with the replacement ZIF socket as described by Bari. I
had no idea it was that easy to remove a TSOP device, so that approach
never occured to me.
I would consider another motherboard with socketed bios, but given the
price constraints I'm forced to work in (sub $100, NForce4), it seems that
most boards in that range have TSOP bioses.
Also, I wanted to re-read the FAQ portions regarding flashing, but keep
receiving a "A database query syntax error has occurred" error when I click
on the FAQ link on the main LinuxBios.org website. I could not find a
contact email (the help link was broken as well), so could one of you relay
a "FAQ is down" message to the website maintainer?
Thanks,
Brad Brown
Bari Ari wrote:
>If there is enough room around the tsop flash device on the mainboard,
>the flash device may be replaced by a ZIF tsop socket. Such as one by:
>
>http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/sockets/tsop/
>
>http://www.emulation.com/pdf/skt518.pdf
>
>The tsop zif sockets are larger than the tsop package so you need the
>extra space to solder them in place.
>
>-Bari
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I was preparing to flash an ECS NForce4-A939 motherboard with Linuxbios
using advice I received earlier this week on this mailing list. Since the
bios chip is a surface mount package, I have no easy way of restoring the
original manufacturer bios image should I flash an invalid rom image to the
motherboard.
To minimize my risk, I planned to flash a Gigabyte motherboard with a
similar chipset configuration, just to prove my image would theoreticaly
work on the ECS board. This motherboard has something called Dualbios,
which essentially allows you to boot from a secondary bios image should
something go wrong. However, I noticed that to activate this feature and
access the backup BIOS image, you had to enter the CMOS setup for the
motherboard, whereas I initally assumed the backup mechanism was jumper
activated.
So my questions are:
1. Does anyone know if the Gigabyte Dualbios feature will still work once
I flash the primary bios image with Linuxbios. If so, it would allow me to
recover if my first image is bad. I don't see how it would work, since I
assume Linuxbios will overwrite any recovery logic, rendering the backup
bios image inaccessible.
2. Other than using a fallback image in my Linuxbios image, or using this
Dualbios feature, are there any other economical ways to recover from a bad
Linuxbios flash, when dealing with a non-socketed bios chip?
I just have this sinking feeling that I'll flash my MB, and end up with a
$75 brick, hence these questions...
Thanks,
Brad Brown
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I can't seem to find a BIOS Savior for an 8mb chip. Does it exist?
Thanks,
Jeff Young
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From: linuxbios-bounces(a)openbios.org
[mailto:linuxbios-bounces@openbios.org] On Behalf Of David Hendricks
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:03 PM
To: sales(a)bradbrown.com
Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org
Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Gigabyte's DualBios and recovery from a botched
Linuxbios flash?
MSI does the same thing with their dual BIOS approach--I found out the
hard way from purchasing a K8N-Neo3. My advice is to avoid these
gimmicky 0v3rc!0ck3r BIOSes and get a BIOS Savior RD-1 or something if
you can get your hands on a socketed mainboard.
Or, I think someone on this list (Bari Ari?) can modify your board to
use socketed flash parts as well.
--David
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* Young, Jeff <Jeff.Young(a)gd-ais.com> [051227 16:30]:
>
> Stefan,
> I have tried several snapshots and none of them build correctly.
> They
> All have the same problem:
>
> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-suse-linux/3.3/../../../../i486-suse-linux/bin/ld:
> section .rodata.str1.32 [00000000fffbff80 -> 00000000fffc015a] overlaps
> section .reset [00000000fffbfff0 -> 00000000fffbffff]
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make: *** [linuxbios] Error 1
>
> Any ideas?
The ROM_IMAGE_SIZE needs to be increased in the target Config.lb file I
think. What SUSE distribution are you using? I've been compiling
LinuxBIOS with gcc 3.3.x and 4.0.x for a while. 3.3 might generate
larger code.
Try setting ROM_IMAGE_SIZE to 0x20000.
Stefan
Stefan,
I have tried several snapshots and none of them build correctly.
They
All have the same problem:
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-suse-linux/3.3/../../../../i486-suse-linux/bin/ld:
section .rodata.str1.32 [00000000fffbff80 -> 00000000fffc015a] overlaps
section .reset [00000000fffbfff0 -> 00000000fffbffff]
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [linuxbios] Error 1
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Reinauer [mailto:stepan@openbios.org]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:12 AM
To: Young, Jeff
Cc: linuxbios(a)openbios.org
Subject: RE: [LinuxBIOS] where do we stand
>
>
> Howdy,
> Can I take it from this thread that the S2895 Tyan board will
> not work now? I am just getting into this and was going to experiment
> on the S2895.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Young
>
The Tyan S2895 _should_ work with the current SVN tree, but it is still
untested. This applies for most other boards in the latest tree. We'll
gladly assist you if you are going to test this. As an option you can
always choose a snapshot from 1.5 months ago.
Stefan
1. you need to the datasheet for superior ITE IT7812F, and refer to
other superio to add support for it.
2. copy tyan s2891 MB and target dir to create ecs/sth, and modify to
support only one CPU...
3. modify superio etc in 2....
YH
Hello:
Let me preface this by saying "Yes, I realize ECS is not the best
manufacturer, but man they're cheap!"
Before attempting a flash this board with Linuxbios, I'd like to get
opinions on whether my motherboard should work correctly with Linux bios;
by "work," I mean boot Linux from an IDE device using FILO ; although
network or USB booting would be nice, I really only care about being able
to boot from the hard drive or CD-rom. The lspci output is shown below the
dotted line. Additional information:
1. Board is an ECS Nforce4-A939 with a Venice-core 3000 chip:
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?CategoryID=1&TypeI
D=31&DetailID=493&MenuID=16&LanID=9
I know there is NForce4 support in Linuxbios, I just wasn't sure what
beyond this support was actually needed to boot. Here's the rest in case
it's relevant.
2. The SuperIO chip is: ITE IT8712F . I don't see this in the list of
supported SuperIOs, so I assume the USB booting will be impossible, and
serial output of boot output impossible.
3. Onboard Nic is: Marvell 88E1111 Giga LAN PHY.
4. Bios is: Award BIOS with 4Mb Flash ROM. The PLCC reads PhoenixBios
D686 BIOS
Thanks for your input. I will post my results for others.
Thanks,
Brad Brown
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lspci output for target machine:
0000:00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005e
(rev a3)
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0050 (rev a3)
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
0000:00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0052 (rev a2)
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel, IRQ 3
I/O ports at fc00 [size=32]
I/O ports at 4c00 [size=64]
I/O ports at 4c40 [size=64]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005a (rev
a2) (prog-if
10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 21
Memory at febff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005b (rev
a3) (prog-if
20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
Memory at febfe000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown
device 0059 (rev
a2)
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
I/O ports at f000 [size=256]
I/O ports at ec00 [size=256]
Memory at febfd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0053 (rev
a2) (prog-if 8a
[Master SecP PriP])
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
I/O ports at e000 [size=16]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:07.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0054 (rev
a3) (prog-if 85
[Master SecO PriO])
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
I/O ports at 09f0 [size=8]
I/O ports at 0bf0 [size=4]
I/O ports at 0970 [size=8]
I/O ports at 0b70 [size=4]
I/O ports at cc00 [size=16]
Memory at febfb000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0055 (rev
a3) (prog-if 85
[Master SecO PriO])
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
I/O ports at 09e0 [size=8]
I/O ports at 0be0 [size=4]
I/O ports at 0960 [size=8]
I/O ports at 0b60 [size=4]
I/O ports at b800 [size=16]
Memory at febfa000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005c (rev a2)
(prog-if 01
[Subtractive decode])
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
I/O behind bridge: 0000a000-0000afff
Memory behind bridge: fea00000-feafffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d8000000-dfffffff
0000:00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0057 (rev a3)
Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems: Unknown device 1b51
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 20
Memory at febf9000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
I/O ports at b400 [size=8]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005d (rev a3)
(prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 00009000-00009fff
Memory behind bridge: fe900000-fe9fffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge:
00000000fe800000-00000000fe800000
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005d (rev a3)
(prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 00008000-00008fff
Memory behind bridge: fe700000-fe7fffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge:
00000000fe600000-00000000fe600000
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005d (rev a3)
(prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 00007000-00007fff
Memory behind bridge: fe500000-fe5fffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge:
00000000fe400000-00000000fe400000
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005d (rev a3)
(prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=05, subordinate=05, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 00006000-00006fff
Memory behind bridge: fe300000-fe3fffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge:
00000000fe200000-00000000fe200000
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge
Flags: fast devsel
Capabilities: <available only to root>
0000:00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge
Flags: fast devsel
0000:00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge
Flags: fast devsel
0000:00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge
Flags: fast devsel
0000:01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100
QY [Radeon
7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited: Unknown device 7c02
Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 5
Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
I/O ports at ac00 [size=256]
Memory at feaf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>
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