[LinuxBIOS] #46: Clarify LinuxBIOS vs. OpenBIOS vs. Open Firmware vs. EFI vs. GNUFI etc.
#46: Clarify LinuxBIOS vs. OpenBIOS vs. Open Firmware vs. EFI vs. GNUFI etc. --------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: uwe | Owner: somebody Type: task | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Going mainstream Component: wiki/website/tracker | Version: v2 Keywords: | Due_close: MM/DD/YYYY Include_gantt: 0 | Dependencies: Due_assign: MM/DD/YYYY | Patchstatus: there is no patch --------------------------------------+------------------------------------- There seems to be a lot of confusion about LinuxBIOS itself in the "general public", but also when it comes to comparing LinuxBIOS to similar projects and systems, e.g. OpenBIOS, Open Firmware, EFI, GNUFI, uboot, etc. etc.
We should have an easily understandable (for non-techsavvy people) entry in the FAQ which outlines what all those projects are about, their goals, pros, and cons.
#46: Clarify LinuxBIOS vs. OpenBIOS vs. Open Firmware vs. EFI vs. GNUFI etc. -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Reporter: uwe | Owner: somebody Type: task | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Going mainstream Component: wiki/website/tracker | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: Dependencies: | Patchstatus: there is no patch -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Changes (by uwe):
* version: v2 =>
Comment:
A wiki page has been started at http://linuxbios.org/Firmware_Comparison.
FreeBIOS==LinuxBIOS
YH
On 12/17/06, LinuxBIOS svn@openbios.org wrote:
#46: Clarify LinuxBIOS vs. OpenBIOS vs. Open Firmware vs. EFI vs. GNUFI etc. -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Reporter: uwe | Owner: somebody Type: task | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Going mainstream Component: wiki/website/tracker | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: Dependencies: | Patchstatus: there is no patch -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Changes (by uwe):
- version: v2 =>
Comment:
A wiki page has been started at http://linuxbios.org/Firmware_Comparison.
-- Ticket URL: http://tracker.linuxbios.org/trac/LinuxBIOS/ticket/46#comment:1 LinuxBIOS http://www.linuxbios.org/ -- linuxbios mailing list linuxbios@linuxbios.org http://www.openbios.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
On 12/17/06, yhlu yinghailu@gmail.com wrote:
FreeBIOS==LinuxBIOS
I don't think so, because: 1. When I got freebios, I really ripped the guts out and then added what was then LinuxBIOS v0 to it. 2. FreeBIOS does not imply linux, and linuxbios should (but does not always)
It's confusing.
One thing we could do is say that freebios is what you get when you take linux out of linuxbios. So we have this:
foundation: freebios
payload: linux ==> means you have linuxbios
and so on.
ron
* ron minnich rminnich@gmail.com [061217 22:15]:
One thing we could do is say that freebios is what you get when you take linux out of linuxbios. So we have this:
foundation: freebios
payload: linux ==> means you have linuxbios
So you imply: LinuxBIOS+OpenBIOS -> not LinuxBIOS but FreeBIOS?
On 12/17/06, Stefan Reinauer stepan@coresystems.de wrote:
- ron minnich rminnich@gmail.com [061217 22:15]:
One thing we could do is say that freebios is what you get when you take linux out of linuxbios. So we have this:
foundation: freebios
payload: linux ==> means you have linuxbios
So you imply: LinuxBIOS+OpenBIOS -> not LinuxBIOS but FreeBIOS?
I'm not sure. We've had trouble with the naming of this thing forever, since the time when we first started using non-linux-kernel payloads like etherboot. That happened in 2001!
In the early days, there was no 'payload' keyword -- the keyword was 'linux' -- since that linux was the only payoad.
Right now we generate a family of BIOS types, including open firmware (OLPC); linux payload (name?); etherboot payload (name?); and so on.
What makes sense?
ron
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 06:05:32PM -0700, ron minnich wrote:
One thing we could do is say that freebios is what you get when you take linux out of linuxbios. So we have this:
foundation: freebios
payload: linux ==> means you have linuxbios
So you imply: LinuxBIOS+OpenBIOS -> not LinuxBIOS but FreeBIOS?
I'm not sure. We've had trouble with the naming of this thing forever, since the time when we first started using non-linux-kernel payloads like etherboot. That happened in 2001!
In the early days, there was no 'payload' keyword -- the keyword was 'linux' -- since that linux was the only payoad.
Right now we generate a family of BIOS types, including open firmware (OLPC); linux payload (name?); etherboot payload (name?); and so on.
What makes sense?
Just call it LinuxBIOS. We should not confuse people even more by inventing extra names for every payload.
It's "LinuxBIOS with OpenBIOS payload", "LinuxBIOS with Linux pyload", "LinuxBIOS with Etherboot payload" etc.
Uwe.
On 12/18/06, Uwe Hermann uwe@hermann-uwe.de wrote:
Just call it LinuxBIOS. We should not confuse people even more by inventing extra names for every payload.
It's "LinuxBIOS with OpenBIOS payload", "LinuxBIOS with Linux pyload", "LinuxBIOS with Etherboot payload" etc.
ok, I agree. I just don't see how we can change the name at this point, it has significant currency around the world and we'll just confuse the hell out of everyone.
Plus, I did rip bits of linux and put them in linuxbios. So we can maintain that it's called linuxbios because we used bits of (and ideas from) linux :-)
ron
#46: Clarify LinuxBIOS vs. OpenBIOS vs. Open Firmware vs. EFI vs. GNUFI etc. -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Reporter: uwe | Owner: somebody Type: task | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Going mainstream Component: wiki/website/tracker | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: Dependencies: | Patchstatus: there is no patch -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Comment (by uwe):
See also mailing list thread starting at http://www.openbios.org/pipermail/linuxbios/2006-December/017768.html.
#46: Clarify LinuxBIOS vs. OpenBIOS vs. Open Firmware vs. EFI vs. GNUFI etc. -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Reporter: uwe | Owner: somebody Type: task | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Going mainstream Component: wiki/website/tracker | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: Dependencies: | Patchstatus: there is no patch -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Comment (by anonymous):
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