Coreboot chat room

[Arne]

Hi,
I just created a XMPP chat room about coreboot on our public XMPP server and I would be happy to make it to an official coreboot chatroom. The server is running since 2,5 years and will stay online for at least the next years. Maybe you like to join.
So the main question is, can I write in the chatroom description "official coreboot chatroom"?

I would also offer the coreboot delevopers a free XMPP chat account on https://ocean.monocles.de/apps/registration/
or 
https://ocean.monocles.eu/apps/registration/

Thanks for your project and best regards,

Arne

[David Hendricks]

Hi Arne,
A couple of questions about this came up in a recent leadership meeting [1]:
- How does this improve upon the existing options? We already have
IRC, Slack, and Discord channels. Is there something about XMPP that
makes it more compelling than those other options?

- Who moderates the XMPP chatroom? At the very least there needs to be
admins who can deal with spam, abuse, and enforce community guidelines
[2] when needed.

[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NRXqXcLBp5pFkHiJbrLdv3Spqh1Hu086HYkKrgKj...
[2] https://review.coreboot.org/plugins/gitiles/coreboot/+/refs/heads/master/Doc...

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:00 AM Arne via coreboot  wrote:
> Hi,
> I just created a XMPP chat room about coreboot on our public XMPP server and I would be happy to make it to an official coreboot chatroom. The server is running since 2,5 years and will stay online for at least the next years. Maybe you like to join.
> So the main question is, can I write in the chatroom description "official coreboot chatroom"?
>
> I would also offer the coreboot delevopers a free XMPP chat account on https://ocean.monocles.de/apps/registration/
> or
> https://ocean.monocles.eu/apps/registration/
>
> Thanks for your project and best regards,
>
> Arne
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[Arne]

Hi David,
thanks for your answer.

- I believe XMPP is on a state of revive and always got a lot of improvements over the last years. There are plenty of clients and some really good working ones for example Conversations for android (or my own userfriendly fork monocles chat) or siskin for IPhone but also clients for desktop. 
I think adding XMPP could help both, coreboot and XMPP to get more interested people and developers.
But especially XMPP is an official international chat standard which is much more lightweight and therefore much more resource friendly than Slack or Discord. It supports a secure end-to-end encrypted communication, file transfer, one-to-one audio/video calls and more. It is even used by the military and companies. Google once used it too for google talk. The XMPP standards Foundation also has been accepted as a mentoring organization in Goolge summer of codes 2023.
For coreboot I would add a news bot to the XMPP chat room which automatically fetches and posts news from the mastodon rss feed or any other rss feed.

- Currently the moderation is done by Hans, Ingolf and me. But more moderators can be be added. The latest monocles chat version but also other xmpp clients support a good spam handling like blocking users, message deletion. Additionally the chat room is set to "moderated" which only allows users that are marked by the moderators as members to write in the chat. 
I would add [2] to the chat rooms description when you accept it. The users of the chat room need to read it then before they are marked as members by the moderators to get writing rights.

Kind regards,

Arne

PS: A list of clients: https://xmpp.org/software/

Am 27. März 2023 01:33:50 MESZ schrieb David Hendricks :
> Hi Arne,
> A couple of questions about this came up in a recent leadership meeting [1]:
> How does this improve upon the existing options? We already have
>
> IRC, Slack, and Discord channels. Is there something about XMPP that
> makes it more compelling than those other options?
> Who moderates the XMPP chatroom? At the very least there needs to be
>
> admins who can deal with spam, abuse, and enforce community guidelines
> [2] when needed.
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NRXqXcLBp5pFkHiJbrLdv3Spqh1Hu086HYkKrgKj...
> [2] https://review.coreboot.org/plugins/gitiles/coreboot/+/refs/heads/master/Doc...
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:00 AM Arne via coreboot  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I just created a XMPP chat room about coreboot on our public XMPP server and I would be happy to make it to an official coreboot chatroom. The server is running since 2,5 years and will stay online for at least the next years. Maybe you like to join.
> > So the main question is, can I write in the chatroom description "official coreboot chatroom"?
> >
> > I would also offer the coreboot delevopers a free XMPP chat account on https://ocean.monocles.de/apps/registration/
> > or
> > https://ocean.monocles.eu/apps/registration/
> >
> > Thanks for your project and best regards,
> >
> > Arne
> > _______________________________________________
> > coreboot mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[David Hendricks]

Hi Arne,
FYI, we discussed this topic further in the 4/19 leadership meeting
[1] and decided not to add another "official" chat room at this time.
Our community is not very big and we're already spread thin.

Thank you for the information about XMPP and your server, it's good to
know there's a good FOSS-friendly solution available if/when one of
the other forums becomes unviable. There are concerns about Discord
privacy and EU regulations, our Slack workspace is sponsored, and even
IRC has had drama (we were on Freenode originally). So it's definitely
possible that we'll see a large number of community members migrate to
your forum in the future.

[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NRXqXcLBp5pFkHiJbrLdv3Spqh1Hu086HYkKrgKj...

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 6:54 PM Arne  wrote:
> Hi David,
> thanks for your answer.
> I believe XMPP is on a state of revive and always got a lot of improvements over the last years. There are plenty of clients and some really good working ones for example Conversations for android (or my own userfriendly fork monocles chat) or siskin for IPhone but also clients for desktop.
>
> I think adding XMPP could help both, coreboot and XMPP to get more interested people and developers.
> But especially XMPP is an official international chat standard which is much more lightweight and therefore much more resource friendly than Slack or Discord. It supports a secure end-to-end encrypted communication, file transfer, one-to-one audio/video calls and more. It is even used by the military and companies. Google once used it too for google talk. The XMPP standards Foundation also has been accepted as a mentoring organization in Goolge summer of codes 2023.
> For coreboot I would add a news bot to the XMPP chat room which automatically fetches and posts news from the mastodon rss feed or any other rss feed.
> Currently the moderation is done by Hans, Ingolf and me. But more moderators can be be added. The latest monocles chat version but also other xmpp clients support a good spam handling like blocking users, message deletion. Additionally the chat room is set to "moderated" which only allows users that are marked by the moderators as members to write in the chat.
>
> I would add [2] to the chat rooms description when you accept it. The users of the chat room need to read it then before they are marked as members by the moderators to get writing rights.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arne
>
> PS: A list of clients: https://xmpp.org/software/
>
> Am 27. März 2023 01:33:50 MESZ schrieb David Hendricks :
> > Hi Arne,
> > A couple of questions about this came up in a recent leadership meeting [1]:
> > How does this improve upon the existing options? We already have
> >
> > IRC, Slack, and Discord channels. Is there something about XMPP that
> > makes it more compelling than those other options?
> > Who moderates the XMPP chatroom? At the very least there needs to be
> >
> > admins who can deal with spam, abuse, and enforce community guidelines
> > [2] when needed.
> >
> > [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NRXqXcLBp5pFkHiJbrLdv3Spqh1Hu086HYkKrgKj...
> > [2] https://review.coreboot.org/plugins/gitiles/coreboot/+/refs/heads/master/Doc...
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:00 AM Arne via coreboot  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >  I just created a XMPP chat room about coreboot on our public XMPP server and I would be happy to make it to an official coreboot chatroom. The server is running since 2,5 years and will stay online for at least the next years. Maybe you like to join.
> > >  So the main question is, can I write in the chatroom description "official coreboot chatroom"?
> > >
> > > I would also offer the coreboot delevopers a free XMPP chat account on https://ocean.monocles.de/apps/registration/
> > >  or
> > >  https://ocean.monocles.eu/apps/registration/
> > >
> > > Thanks for your project and best regards,
> > >
> > > Arne
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