Re: [coreboot] compiling coreboot

[Corey Osgood]

I think I just need to clarify a couple things:

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat  wrote:
> > My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to
> > expand knowledge not to earn money!!

There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them
involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess)
because you're developing a product to sell?
> > If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get
> > involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and stress
> > of a challenging and rewarding work.

Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea!
> > I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of the
> > science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new or
> > to become ready for the projects in the market.

And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand
initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors,
etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out.
On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't
have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes
along.
> > Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes of
> > the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible technical
> > people. Who you recommend and where are those?

http://www.coreboot.org/Products
http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development
> > I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough and I
> > suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough for
> > it!!

I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives,
how many questions do you see like yours?

Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if
you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll
get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how
every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to
write a working port.

-Corey
> Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need
> is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one
> of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional
> developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a
> living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything
> works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I
> needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple
> 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one
> was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700
> board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info,
> why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because
> if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not
> going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work,
> and contribute it back to the project.
>
> So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points:
> Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project
> Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time
>
> educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or
> 3. GTFO!
>
> -Corey
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > let me explain a few things.
> > >
> > > On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
> > > > The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It is
> > > > because you do not want other people know about the details of the
> > > > project,
> > >
> > > We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly
> > > and if you read the documentation.
> > > > Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes of
> > > > your
> > > > time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are
> > > > not a
> > > > waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people keep
> > > > their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about economics,
> > > > politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i waste
> > > > your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it
> > > > unless
> > > > you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
> > >
> > > We do not benefit from explaining things to you.
> > > You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project
> > > does not benefit from explaining things to you either.
> > > BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a
> > > customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any
> > > work yourself.
> > >
> > > Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not
> > > benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other
> > > developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not
> > > know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help
> > > or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to
> > > trolling.
> > > > I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the work
> > > > without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of Coreboot
> > > > before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by
> > > > Coreboot site!!?
> > >
> > > Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read
> > > and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list
> > > instructions instead.
> > > > Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i have
> > > > the
> > > > source and the Internet connection...
> > >
> > > And why don't you do that?
> > >
> > > You have three choices:
> > > Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
> > > Pay someone to explain this in private.
> > > Leave.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Carl-Daniel