My motherboard will be Kontron, 986LCD-M/mITX.
I have not yet received it but very soon will have it. I am studying the technical info but answering my questions boosts my progress.
I am not planing to make a product for sale and trying to expand my knowledge about BIOS and PC. I have a good time to spend for this project but seems to have to learn many new things first and deal with some PDFs every day.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.comwrote:
I think I just need to clarify a couple things:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood corey.osgood@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat hagigatali@gmail.com
wrote:
My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to expand knowledge not to earn money!!
There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) because you're developing a product to sell?
If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and
stress
of a challenging and rewarding work.
Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea!
I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of
the
science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new
or
to become ready for the projects in the market.
And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes along.
Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes
of
the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible
technical
people. Who you recommend and where are those?
http://www.coreboot.org/Products http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development
I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough
and I
suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough
for
it!!
I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, how many questions do you see like yours?
Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to write a working port.
-Corey
Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, and contribute it back to the project.
So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points:
- Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project
- Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time
educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or 3. GTFO!
-Corey
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
let me explain a few things.
On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote:
The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It
is
because you do not want other people know about the details of the project,
We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly and if you read the documentation.
Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes
of
your time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are not a waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people
keep
their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about
economics,
politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i
waste
your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it unless you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!)
We do not benefit from explaining things to you. You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project does not benefit from explaining things to you either. BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any work yourself.
Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to trolling.
I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the
work
without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of
Coreboot
before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by Coreboot site!!?
Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list instructions instead.
Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i
have
the source and the Internet connection...
And why don't you do that?
You have three choices:
- Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest.
- Pay someone to explain this in private.
- Leave.
Regards, Carl-Daniel
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