Sorry for my part of starting this heated debate.
Nothing to be sorry for... You are very welcome (and other guys who might join this discussion, from INTEL, GOOGLE, you name it! But they risk to loose at least $200K USD/per annum, and they are mortally afraid for outcome). :-)
Zoran Stojsavljevic
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Jim Hendrick james.r.hendrick@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry if I triggered the emotional part of this thread!
My 2 cents is this - the hardware industry has sacrificed privacy for the sake of enterprise customers (can hardly blame them I suppose) and that has left many of us with very few options.
We can compromise on privacy for the latest performance, and take some steps to guard against backdoors (which - at some level - we need to accept that hardware is not actively compromised or we should all go back to slide-rules...)
We can insist on the best privacy and accept using (rapidly aging) hardware.
I have no hard data on coreboot, Purism, or any of the other tools / products / companies out there. (and hope that that part of this thread has run its course)
It does seem to me that in order to even play in the market - that any company would need to take the (reasonably current) hardware that is available and do what it can to minimize the likelihood that the (assumed or proven) backdoors can be exploited.
I would like to see any company (Purism, system76 or anyone else) be able to work with the major vendors to acquire hardware AND be able to replace or wrap the compromised firmware to give us the best of both.
To the degree that they fully disclose what they are able OR not able to do to mitigate these risks is really between their marketing department and their customers.
For myself - I will probably end up with accepting the problems with more recent hardware for functionality and performance and try to use other security / privacy layers to minimize the risk.
Sorry for my part of starting this heated debate.
And thanks again to all for the insight!
Jim
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Zoran Stojsavljevic < zoran.stojsavljevic@gmail.com> wrote:
let's pause this discussion until the new mailing list is up, and then
move it there, ok? This is not technical
It's decreasing the signal to noise ratio on this list.
It is NOT a NOISE, Ron... It is true ESSENCE. Do you, Ron, after all, think, I am a noise??? INTEL does think I am (fatal mistake). Don't you agree?? I am, after all, Open Source stray dog... And.. You would like to understand it?! Don't you?! You are GOOGLE (protected) dog, and INTEL dogs are trying out there to intercept me... Other stray dogs... .. . :-))) I laugh... why, Ron???
Do you think they are successful?! Really???
I am sorry to disappoint you. NO NOISE here... And if you do serve to INTEL main purposes... DO not distract with tricks, and proxys' to make it much easier for flock sheep...
I am not fighting Purism, Ron, mu targets are much higher... Imagine! ;-)
Don't You agree?
TRUE essence. For TRUE purposes (I could NOT be blackmailed, never ever)!
Sorry to be Honest Straight! Zoran Stojsavljevic
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:43 PM, ron minnich rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
let's pause this discussion until the new mailing list is up, and then move it there, ok? This is not technical. It's decreasing the signal to noise ratio on this list.
Thanks
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:55 PM Zoran Stojsavljevic < zoran.stojsavljevic@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry for that. My last sentence probably doesn't even express what I was trying to say. Could be my bad English.
Your English is quite good.
I just meant that there are people who are easily offended by
dishonesty.
Tell me about dishonesty, Nico. What Purism does is just a pebble of sand in the desert of big IT companies' dishonesty!
Zoran Stojsavljevic
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Nico Huber nico.h@gmx.de wrote:
On 10.10.2017 20:02, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> So my conclusion, Purism draws customers from other Linux supporting > vendors with dishonest marketing. If that doesn't bother you, fine. > But please don't get angry if it bothers honest people.
... 3 - By stating that it "bothers honest people", right after saying that it doesn't bother me, you're implying that I'm not an honest person (at least that's how I read it) and that kind of statement doesn't lead to cool headed discussions, so I'll simply withdraw from this one.
Sorry for that. My last sentence probably doesn't even express what I was trying to say. Could be my bad English. I just meant that there are people who are easily offended by dishonesty. Well, yeah, it does imply that I don't count you among them.
Nico
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