On 02/07/2018 10:50 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
On 02/07/18 15:57, Stefan Berger wrote:
On 02/07/2018 09:18 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
On 02/07/18 14:51, Stefan Berger wrote:
To support SeaBIOS as well, we would have to be able to distinguish a BIOS from the UEFI on the QEMU level so that we could produce different ACPI
Yes and no,
(no SMI and different OperationRegion than 0xFFFF 0000 for SeaBIOS),
"yes" with regard to the SMM difference, "no" with regard to the operation region. We have an ACPI linker/loader command that makes the firmware basically just allocate memory, and we have two other ACPI linker/loader commands that (a) patch the allocation address into other ACPI artifacts, (b) return the allocation address to QEMU (for device emulation purposes), if necessary.
I thought about allowing the firmware to configure the memory region to use for the PPI interface. UEFI would say 0xFFFF 0000, SeaBIOS would choose some other area (0xFEF4 5000). Does the ACPI patcher handle this case or does the address patching have to be set up while building the tables in QEMU? If latter, then we would have to know in QEMU whether it's going to be BIOS or UEFI as firmware. I have tried a lot of things in the recent past, but I forgot whether this type of patching is possible.
The ACPI linker/loader commands are typically added to the "linker script" in the very functions that build the ACPI payload.
And, distinguishing the firmwares is not necessary just for this; the point of the firmware-side allocation is that QEMU does not dictate the address. Each firmware is expected to use its own memory allocation service, which in turn will ensure that the runtime OS stays away from the allocated area. So the allocation address is ultimately determined by the firmware.
The other two commands make the firmware patch the actual allocation address (whatever it may be) into other ACPI artifacts, and make the firmware pass the allocation address (whatever it may be) back to QEMU.
My operating knowledge about the TPM had been that
Components measure stuff into PCRs, and if any untrusted agent messes with those measurements, for example by directly writing to the PCRs, then the TPM will simply not unseal its secrets, hence such tampering is self-defeating for those agents.While this might be correct (I hope it is correct!), the *PPI* part of TPM appears entirely different. In fact I don't have the slightest idea *why* PPI is lumped together with the TPM.
The physical presence interface allows *automation of TPM operations and changing the TPM's state* (such as clearing all keys) that are typically only possible via interaction with the TPM menu in the firmware. Think of it as some TPM operations that can only run successfully while the system runs the firmware. Once the firmware has given control to the next stage (bootloader, kernel) these operations are not possible anymore since the firmware has execute some TPM commands that put the TPM into a state so it wouldn't allow those operations anymore.
OK, but if the OS is allowed to modify this set of "queued operations", then what protection is expected of SMM? Whether you can modify the TPM directly, or queue random commands for it at libery, what's the difference?
On the OS level it is presumably an operation that is reserved to the admin to queue the operation.
I am not that familiar with UEFI and who is allowed to run code there and what code it can execute. But UEFI seems to lock the variable that holds that PPI code that tells it what to do after next reboot. So presumably a UEFI module cannot modify that variable but can only read it (and hopefully not manipulate NVRAM directly). If PPI was implemented through a memory location where the code gets written to it could do that likely easily (unless memory protections are setup by UEFI, which I don't know), cause a reset and have UEFI execute on that code.
Can you explain in more detail what the PPI operations are, and why they need protection, from what agents exactly? What is the purported lifecycle of such PPI operations?
With the clearing of the TPM one would loose all keys associated with the TPM. So you don't want some software module to be able to set such a 'code', reset the machine, and the user looses all keys on the way. The control has to be strongly with the admin.
Where is this barrier erected, between OS and firmware, or between privileged and non-privileged OS user?
Between OS and firmware.
SMM is only relevant if the barrier is expected between OS and firmware; i.e. you want to constrain the OS kernel to a subset of valid operations. If the barrier is between privileged and non-privileged OS user, then the implementation belongs in the OS kernel, since mere users don't have direct hardware access anyway.
Also, to prevent fumbling with the variables, UEFI seems to make the variable read-only.
That seems to imply the barrier is between OS kernel and firmware.
It is.
I am wondering whether a malicious UEFI module could be written that patches the ACPI tables and does what it wants when it comes to these early TPM operations, rather than what the admin wants.
This is a good point, and it applies to more than just ACPI. The answer is that it doesn't matter what *any* OS level code does -- as long as the barrier is expected between OS and firmware --, because the SMM code in the firmware must perform *complete* validation / verification of the request.
Another example is the UEFI runtime variable services. In the SMM_REQUIRE build of OVMF, those services are split to two privilege levels, "runtime DXE driver" and "SMM driver". The runtime DXE driver layer provides the OS with the UEFI interface, but internally it only formats a request buffer (serializes the variable operation), and raises an SMI. Once in SMM, the "SMM driver" layer de-serializes and verifies the request, and performs it if it's valid. If the OS messes with the "runtime DXE driver" half of the service (because it can -- that layer lives in simple system memory), the worst the OS can do is submit a crafted request buffer to the SMM half. The SMM half in turn *always* has to evaluate the request buffer as if it came from a malicious agent (an attacker). In other words, the "runtime DXE driver" half is just a convenience for the OS, for preparing a well-formed request buffer. (Which can still be rejected, of course, if the request doesn't pass higher-level authentication and such).
The same applies to your example. The queued PPI operations must be entirely validated in SMM; the ACPI code for formatting / submitting them is just a convenience. If the trust is based in the ACPI code, then the security model is busted. This is why I ask above, 'if the OS is allowed to modify this set of "queued operations", then what protection is expected of SMM?'
The standard implies that ACPI is used for passing the parameters from OS to the firmware:
https://trustedcomputinggroup.org/tcg-physical-presence-interface-specificat...
Again, we have to see where the barrier is, between OS and firmware, or between OS-level users:
In both cases, 3rd party UEFI apps / driver are considered equally privileged to the OS kernel;
in the OS<->firmware barrier case, SMM is required, and UEFI apps and the OS kernel are similarly restricted to submitting requests to SMM, and all the business verification belongs in SMM,
So SMM can verify whether the parameters it gets are valid. Whether now the user wanted to set operation 0 but the ACPI code submitted 5 (Clear TPM), would be a matter of verifying the ACPI code that's in-between. Is an attack via ACPI manipulation through some UEFI module possible?
- in the "barrier between OS-level users" case, SMM is not needed; UEFI apps and the OS kernel are equally allowed to access hardware directly, and non-privileged users are restricted by the OS kernel only.
Its ACPI code would just enter SMM and instruct to clear the TPM upon reboot whenever invoked. If that's possible then we may have 'only' moved the problem from the secured UEFI variable to patching ACPI code, which is more work of course. (We need signed ACPI tables...)
Right; if you want to prevent UEFI apps (equivalently, the OS kernel) from queueing such a "zap TPM" operation, then SMM is required, *and* the code running in SMM needs *some* mechanism to authenticate the request (beyond checking for well-formedness).
For example, regarding UEFI variables that are related to Secure Boot, variable update requests (from the OS or 3rd party UEFI apps/drivers) are verified (in SMM) by checking digital signatures on those requests.
... Judged purely from the *name* of the feature, "Physical Presence Interface", I think the idea is that a physically present user is allowed to issue / queue a "zap TPM" request. The question then becomes how you define "physically present".
There are operations in the PPI that set and clear flags that either enable prompting or disable prompting for the execution of a certain TPM operation by the firmware. For full automation and eliminating user interaction entirely one would issue the code(s) to disable the prompts (that's what PHYSICAL_PRESENCE_FLAGS_VARIABLE in EDK2 is for), zap the TPM, then possibly re-enable the prompts. A couple of reboots are necessary.
FYI: The 'physical presence' meant that a user had to be present at the physical keyboard when at a certain stage after machine start and then, when entering the firmware, could run certain TPM operations that are then enabled but also only possibly when in the firmware. When doing this via a remote screen, the firmware may not support running these commands since the physical keyboard or some other button wasn't touched. Now with the PPI automation holding a key or button may not be necessary anymore.
OVMF currently equates all UEFI-level code with a user being physically present; see the UserPhysicalPresent() implementation in "OvmfPkg/Library/PlatformSecureLib/PlatformSecureLib.c". (The PlatformSecureLib class "Provides a platform-specific method to enable Secure Boot Custom Mode setup", which is not precisely your use case, but similarly privileged.) I wouldn't know how to define physical presence otherwise, in virtual firmware. If you can figure out a way to deduce physical presence in the guest *OS*, then we can say the barrier is between OS-level users, not between OS and firmware, and then SMM is not needed.
What do we want to *use* PPI for? What agents should *not* be allowed to queue a "zap TPM" operation?
On the OS level it must remain a privileged operation of an admin to issue these PPI codes. That it is a privileged operation is implemented by the OS and I don't think we need to do anything. What we would want to prevent is abuse by a module that the firmware executes for example. I think this is the driving force for a UEFI variable and the fact that it's being locked (and later on unlocked so SMM mode can write to it ?)
As for the use case, I would say it's automation on the OS level. From that perspective it's support could probably be deferred, which may eliminate at least the SMM part. However, UEFI uses the PPI mechanisms itself to issue certain commands when interacting with its menu. I am not sure whether SMM code is involved here... but for being able to use UEFI and TPM 2 at least for the UEFI support the PPI part needs to be there, otherwise the menu items one gets won't do anything. [The question is does UEFI execute ACPI or write directly in the UEFI varaible? My guess is the latter.]
(Sorry if this email is too long and confusing! I'm confused.)
Me too. I am not clear on specifics in UEFI, such as memory protections setup while a module is running in UEFI. Is NVRAM protected from overwrite? Who can run a module in UEFI? Does it need to be signed ?
Thanks Laszlo
Stefan