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> let's wait with removing unused chipset code until after the release
Sure, I just wanted to be of any help for the release-related stuff
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> there's also a cpu directory for this family. […]
Of course there is CB:53993
I just wanted to avoid unnecessary relation chains creating them only if needed.
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> > It hurts me to see how deep in debts this code is and that the
> > community has to constantly pay interest for it. Please do not
> > make things worse by making the review harder than necessary.
> > Every change should be reasoned about in the commit message
> > before review starts. If reviewers constantly have to ask, why
> > this and that, that's a waste of time. If the code should be
> > kept upstream in the long run, unexplained changes and shallow
> > reviews only add additional debts. If nobody wants to invest
> > into the code, better make plans to maintain it on another
> > branch.
We never get so negative feedback in such style. For external entities trying to join coreboot development this would not sound welcoming.
We would understand part of comment if Michał or 3mdeb would continuously provide low quality code, but AFAIK this is not the case here. We would like to understand and learn by examples how we can avoid such comments in future.
Also we would appreciate precise explanation about interest community constantly have to pay, since we feel part of community and also would like to stop paying that interest, if possible.
Last sentence worries me because business-wise it means arbitrary resource requests under the threat of exile. It will effectively cause wiping out any old hardware, even one which is still in wide use. I would appreciate if we can bring that topic to coreboot leadership meeting and talk together about that.
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PS1, Line 332: requires a change in all mainboards using it) needs to be documented.
> > 1. Sign of life - certain string showing as early as possible on platform boot
>
> Open to discussion but I think this might be reasonable as a Kconfig (depending on how complicated it looks).
It would be sent upstream for review and we will see.
> > 4. Experimental uCode inclusion
>
> Is this more than just setting the microcode file Kconfig to some file you maintain out-of-tree? (I think that's considered supported.)
That seem to be the scope, but if you say it is supported for AMD we have to check that.
>
> > 5. ACPI difference, mentioned in email thread, required for OS compatibility
>
> I haven't fully understood that problem, but generally, I think OS compatibility stuff is something that can be included upstream (depends on whether we're talking about a publicly available OS or something custom used only by your customer, maybe). Again, I think coreboot itself gets developed as a sort of monolithic blob with no stable boundaries on its inside, but the boundary between coreboot and the payload or the OS is different and we spend more effort trying to keep that as stable and widely compatible as possible.
We talking about BSD and its downstream distros eg. pfSense or OPNsense, which are important for firewall customers. Those distros typically do not use bleeding edge version of ACPI.
>
> > Maybe we should be clear about saying that coreboot is too expensive for small OEM/ODM, they should go to IBVs.
>
> I don't think anyone is trying to build any intentional barriers here to keep someone out. We're all interested in making all the things that people want to do with coreboot as cheap and easy as possible. I just don't think there are any easy answers to your problems here. "Everyone stop making big API changes" isn't something we can do, then we can't really develop big new features at all anymore. Then the project would basically become irrelevant and die out. "Spend a ton of extra effort on every global change you make" also becomes prohibitive and will effectively cause the same problems as forbidding big changes completely. I think we can discuss smaller effort process changes (e.g. writing spatches where it makes sense), but it needs to balance out the effort saved on one side and the extra effort caused on the other.
Agree. I just brought 3mdeb perspective to discussion. We hope that continuation of discussed strategies will not eventually push out less-resourceful players out of tree.
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