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> I stepped in here *on your behalf* to *agree* >with you< to get David to align > with you < and you are already pointing fingers at me LOL it is comical. Just absurd on a human level and I hope you can reflect on this.
Yes, I pointed fingers at you. But from my point of view, you started it.
Wasn't this you pointing at me?
> Just no need to threaten forkage whenever someone makes a mistake
Feelings go both ways. If I read something like this, I react to it.
> This isn't Nico's project it is a community project. You are a very smart person no question but consider caring for how people feel and you may realise how much they are wiling to listen more.
I have often reflected about this. Whenever things escalated it seems
people stomped on my feelings first. The difference might be that I
don't complain about it as much and try to keep things technical.
I'm generally a very patient person. However, there are situations
where I completely drop all politeness. When I see somebody using
their Gerrit privileges to force other people into working for them,
it's definitely among such situations. When the first -2 was set,
I deliberately stopped helping David to understand things because
I don't allow myself to help when I'm feeling forced.
I don't think it's fair to use any words written after such a -2
to argue about the general behavior in a project.
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> > You asked about freq_read and ICCRIBA […]
Nico, without entertaining this too much further you can also come off as highly offensive at times by how tone deaf you can be. Having talked to you I know you do not intend to but in writing you can be read as that.
>> That's why I asked him to slow down. He just ignored that. I could
>> try to explain myself over and over again, but where should I get
>> the time to do so?
I can answer why this is fundamentally happening, it depends if you are willing enough to be scientific in your thinking and be prepared to reject your existing bias for another prospective.
If you want people to come along with you wouldn't it be better not to make them enemies by pointing fingers? If nothing else but for pure pragmatism at the very least.
I stepped in here *on your behalf* to *agree* >with you< to get David to align > with you < and you are already pointing fingers at me LOL it is comical. Just absurd on a human level and I hope you can reflect on this. This isn't Nico's project it is a community project. You are a very smart person no question but consider caring for how people feel and you may realise how much they are wiling to listen more. You are not perfect either, you broke layout with a intermediate patch, no one is infallible.
Not 'Maybe' I don't doubt David or any other community members sincerity in their desire to contribute meaningful changes. It's not all a conspiracy to not listen to Nico and annoy him and make him fix everything for us.
Unfortunately there is a world pandemic (which btw is extremely stressful for many people without this frankly less important stress in the scheme of things) otherwise one suggestion would be we could run some kind of Flashrom meet up.
I think if we could do one as a online meeting that could help perhaps reduce some of these tensions and keep people on the same page. I've been trying to get enough time to sort this out and also a bug tracker for the project. These stories each of us perhaps build up in our heads online without talking and being social degrades trust in one another and stops us from listening as a community. You are too focused on one dimension to the problem, and it is correct we have technical issues to address but it seems to me we also have social issues to address in the community.
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> You asked about freq_read and ICCRIBA
I did not. I asked a very simple question:
> Have you looked into the SPI guides what changed exactly in the descriptor?
Then I stated a hypothesis around the freq_read and ICCRIBA changes.
David, this is another instance where you twisted my words. Please
read more carefully what I write. I try to keep it to grammatically
correct sentences. Please read and quote those fully, and ask if
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> This looks like it suffers from the same problem as another patch that
> I gave a -2 for a reason. You indirectly change paths (look at what
> cases hit GEMINILAKE for instance) without noticing.
I'm pretty sure the APL/GLK descriptors never have ISL <= 16, so it shouldn't be an issue. But I could be wrong, so let's try to preserve the current behavior.
> The current patch also changes when the warning is printed (not anymore
> for ISL < 16) while the commit message states otherwise.
Indeed, this is an issue.
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PS2, Line 936: if (content->ISL <= 16)
: return CHIPSET_5_SERIES_IBEX_PEAK;
> How about: […]
Based on Nico's comment, looks like this should be placed after the `if (content->FLMAP2 == 0) { ... }` block.
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This looks like it suffers from the same problem as another patch that
I gave a -2 for a reason. You indirectly change paths (look at what
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The current patch also changes when the warning is printed (not anymore
for ISL < 16) while the commit message states otherwise.
If I had the time to further attend this, it would get another -2.
Please slow down. You are really forcing me to look into things I
don't want to but evidently have to to prevent further breakage.
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> Nico => It is sufficient to say revert-first upon breakage, you are absolutely right there. Just no need to threaten forkage whenever someone makes a mistake,
What's the mistake here? I don't mind if something slips review. But
taking the branch hostage with a -2 seems pretty offensive. Also, I
didn't mean it as a threat. It's a simple causality. There are too
many people with submit rights. Some are trigger happy and others
don't want breakage. It's easy for the former to force the latter
to work for them. CB:54965 has a very low priority for me. Still
I took the time to comment on it in the hope that people wouldn't
ignore it; still I had to work on it for the past two days. My time
is limited and this will set another release back by a month or so
(unless we just punch another one through without reviewing all the
prematurely merged code since the last one).
I don't see how we can continue under these circumstances. If you
see a better solution than to fork, please advice me. Edward, I know
you have slowed down piling up new work by now, but I also see
nothing done to reduce the already piled (prematurely merged) work.
For instance, CB:44073 you know for some time now that it's flawed.
Will you ever look into it or is that left to me?
I have a plan for some time now to branch at v1.2 and cherry-pick
from master to it, instead of cleaning up after others. If that
would be a fully-fledged flashrom fork, idk. More likely to be
something my employer requires plus everything easy to keep
running (e.g. all SPI flash stuff). Or maybe just a libflashrom2
with a separate UI project.
> I would imagine David does care about your concern already.
Maybe.
> Your technical arguments are sufficient on their own merit they just need to be understood by the reader. I think what happened here is that you can see something obvious to you but not obvious to David. Let's be patient and care about one another as humans first.
That's why I asked him to slow down. He just ignored that. I could
try to explain myself over and over again, but where should I get
the time to do so?
David, you have two times in a row in this thread quoted me only
partially. It does no good. You just reply to half of a sentence
which makes no sense without the other half. My code example came
with the words "Makes no sense, no matter the context,". It doesn't
help to add and discuss context in such a case (where the context
doesn't matter). I hope you see the problem here. I extracted this
code example in the hope that you'll see that it's wrong when not
distracted by the context. Then you added distracting context again...
It's good to see the -2 removed here. Would you also agree to merge
the revert even if I don't have the time to review your follow ups
before the next release?
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PS1, Line 16: TESTED=tried on a server with Intel Emmitsburg PCH, flash update
: was successful. This server, however, does not have flash chip
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Was the current patch tested like this too?
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PS1, Line 945: if (content->ISL <= 139)
Can there be Emmitsburg IFDs with less than 80 straps? I'd check for `content->ISL < 80` somewhere, either here or in a `warn_peculiar_desc()` call (which could also check `content->ISL != 80 && content->ISL != 139`)
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Change subject: Revert "Add support for Intel Emmitsburg PCH"
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Patch Set 2: -Code-Review
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Fixes are teed up, let's get these 3 patches in and move on.
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