Hi Luc, I haven't really followed what's been going on at flashrom due to some personal issues of my own, but my understanding, and note that I could be mistaken about some things, follows:
There was a decision made to fork the original flashrom to flashrom-stable. My understanding is that Nico was leaving the flashrom fork to maintain flashrom-stable.
At that point, in my opinion, Nico has somewhat divorced himself from the original flashrom project. I (in a probably naive fashion) wouldn't expect Ubuntu maintainers to go be complaining about how debian is run, for example. They have their own distro to maintain, so they can change what they want to be how they want in their own distro.
As far as any issues between the two flashrom forks, I again haven't followed this, but it seems like there might have been continuing conflicts.
Because of this, it doesn't seem *completely* unreasonable to remove the head of a competing fork from working on, commenting on, or having anything to do with the original fork. This can be (and was) decided by the leadership of the original fork.
There is no further discussion owed to you about this, whether you like it or not. If you want to work with Nico on the flashrom-stable fork, you're more than welcome to do so.
What you're not welcome to do is what you're doing now. Whether or not you like the decision that was made, you need to be respectful to other community members on the mailing list.
In my opinion, the comments you are making towards Anastasia are, at the very least, close to violating the code of conduct. If it were up to me, I'd say that you had already crossed that line and that consequences of your behavior shouldn't be surprising if and/or when they occur.
I can understand that you can feel upset about things that are happening in the communities, but knowing all of the people involved, I can assure you that these sorts of issues are not taken lightly, quickly, or without thought.
Maybe consider that there *might* be reasons that further discussion about what's going on can't or shouldn't take place in the public. Think about what those reasons might be. Again we're all part of the open source community, and would prefer to do things in the open, so if that's not happening, maybe there's a reason.
Respectfully, Martin
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:00 PM Luc Verhaegen via flashrom flashrom@flashrom.org wrote:
On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 12:56:53AM +1000, Anastasia Klimchuk wrote:
Dear flashrom community,
I have just banned Nico Huber from flashrom gerrit and mailing list.
"I"?
This is a result of what was happening on flashrom during the last ~3 years. Nico has a long track record of bullying other developers, attacking people on public channels (Gerrit and mailing list), writing long toxic comments which blocked other people's work, and lying in all public channels. During recent years, Nico was the reason why several talented and motivated contributors left the project.
Feel free to detail all these events.
It is really sad (if not tragic) that a talented engineer, with a lot of technical knowledge and experience, annihilates all of that by being unable to work with other people, and by refusing to take advice and learn.
Ah, yes, Nico does have actual technical knowledge and a lot of experience with flashrom, especially since he has been involved with flashrom for a long, long time.
Long before google started caring anyway, and sent out some generalist with none of what Nico has been bringing to the party for all that time, who then promptly declared herself project leader with little prior history.
As you all know, Nico now has his own fork (aka flashrom-stable) and I had some hope that he will focus on that and we will get back to normal, peaceful and constructive work. Unfortunately, Nico decided to make a comeback, and started adding himself to flashrom patches and commenting on patches.
Working on flashrom patches, and commenting on them is what he has been doing since long before you even knew what flashrom was.
And one could argue that him forking flashrom was something he felt necessary given what you have been working on or towards over the last 2-3 years.
I do not accept bullying and lying, and I don't want this in the flashrom community.
"I", and "I" being imposed on a "community". Interesting.
And singlehandedly removing access to project resources could be construed as bullying as well.
No amount of technical expertise justifies bullying other people and lying in public. This is my firm position.
"_My_ firm postition".
Also, calling it your "firm position" does not lessen the insecurity you are displaying here.
Thank you guys for everything
Yes, thank Nico for sticking with flashrom for so long, and for actually helping users with actual questions on both irc and email since basically forever.
Thank you Anastasia, for holding weekly meetings on a project with limited mailing list activity and limited patch flow. I am sure that they were time well spent that could not have been spent on say, writing acual code, actually helping users, etc.
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