On 20/11/15 17:06, Alfonso Gamboa wrote:
booting into MacOS9 with qemu to the Desktop is now possible, see:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7047&start=250
Some issues, remain, certain extensions crash on boot.
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
ATB,
Mark.
On Nov 21, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 20/11/15 17:06, Alfonso Gamboa wrote:
booting into MacOS9 with qemu to the Desktop is now possible, see:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7047&start=250
Some issues, remain, certain extensions crash on boot.
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Trying to find that out is going to be hard. The extension manager does not appear when the space bar is held down.
On Nov 21, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 20/11/15 17:06, Alfonso Gamboa wrote:
booting into MacOS9 with qemu to the Desktop is now possible, see:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7047&start=250
Some issues, remain, certain extensions crash on boot.
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
On 21/11/15 22:59, Programmingkid wrote:
On Nov 21, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 20/11/15 17:06, Alfonso Gamboa wrote:
booting into MacOS9 with qemu to the Desktop is now possible, see:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7047&start=250
Some issues, remain, certain extensions crash on boot.
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
Now this is definitely helpful. Just to confirm that the presence of any *one* of these modules causes boot to fail?
ATB,
Mark.
On Nov 22, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 21/11/15 22:59, Programmingkid wrote:
On Nov 21, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 20/11/15 17:06, Alfonso Gamboa wrote:
booting into MacOS9 with qemu to the Desktop is now possible, see:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7047&start=250
Some issues, remain, certain extensions crash on boot.
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
Now this is definitely helpful. Just to confirm that the presence of any *one* of these modules causes boot to fail?
Yes. That is correct.
On 22/11/15 17:39, Programmingkid wrote:
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
Now this is definitely helpful. Just to confirm that the presence of any *one* of these modules causes boot to fail?
Yes. That is correct.
I've just done some testing here on my 9.2.2 ISO and I've found the following:
- Removing "Apple Audio Extension" appears to prevent some kind of corruption which allows MacsBugs to give non-corrupt stack traces
- The resulting stack trace points at "AINI 8042 05AE Startup ASLM PPC"
- Further removing "Open Transport ASLM Modules" allows boot to proceed nearly all the way except for a hang just before the progress bar reaches the end
- Finally removing "Multiprocessing" allows boot to proceed all the way to the desktop
Alfonso/John can you confirm whether removing these 3 extensions works for your images too? If you are able to run the OS 9 installer all the way through and manually mount the hd images to remove them by hand before the next boot, do you end up with a bootable OS 9 HD image?
ATB,
Mark.
On Nov 23, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 22/11/15 17:39, Programmingkid wrote:
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
Now this is definitely helpful. Just to confirm that the presence of any *one* of these modules causes boot to fail?
Yes. That is correct.
I've just done some testing here on my 9.2.2 ISO and I've found the following:
- Removing "Apple Audio Extension" appears to prevent some kind of
corruption which allows MacsBugs to give non-corrupt stack traces
The resulting stack trace points at "AINI 8042 05AE Startup ASLM PPC"
Further removing "Open Transport ASLM Modules" allows boot to proceed
nearly all the way except for a hang just before the progress bar reaches the end
- Finally removing "Multiprocessing" allows boot to proceed all the way
to the desktop
Alfonso/John can you confirm whether removing these 3 extensions works for your images too? If you are able to run the OS 9 installer all the way through and manually mount the hd images to remove them by hand before the next boot, do you end up with a bootable OS 9 HD image?
Which version of Macsbug are you using? Do you have an 9.2.2 image file available for download that has macsbug installed? I tried installing Macsbug 6.6.3 into my iso file, but Mac OS 9 always stops booting right before the debugger message is suppose to appear.
On 24/11/15 03:28, Programmingkid wrote:
I've just done some testing here on my 9.2.2 ISO and I've found the following:
- Removing "Apple Audio Extension" appears to prevent some kind of
corruption which allows MacsBugs to give non-corrupt stack traces
The resulting stack trace points at "AINI 8042 05AE Startup ASLM PPC"
Further removing "Open Transport ASLM Modules" allows boot to proceed
nearly all the way except for a hang just before the progress bar reaches the end
- Finally removing "Multiprocessing" allows boot to proceed all the way
to the desktop
Alfonso/John can you confirm whether removing these 3 extensions works for your images too? If you are able to run the OS 9 installer all the way through and manually mount the hd images to remove them by hand before the next boot, do you end up with a bootable OS 9 HD image?
Which version of Macsbug are you using? Do you have an 9.2.2 image file available for download that has macsbug installed? I tried installing Macsbug 6.6.3 into my iso file, but Mac OS 9 always stops booting right before the debugger message is suppose to appear.
One other thing I forgot to mention: if you install MacsBugs onto your ISO, you need to provide some mouse or keyboard input around the time when the happy mac icon appears (I normally capture the mouse and move it around a little), otherwise as you mention you see a freeze just before "Debugger Installed" appears.
My guess is that MacsBugs is trying to work out whether to use ADB or USB for keyboard, so unless the OS 9 ADB driver gets any input then it can't decide and hangs on boot. Then again this could be another bug somewhere in the QEMU ADB emulation...
ATB,
Mark.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland < mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/11/15 03:28, Programmingkid wrote:
I've just done some testing here on my 9.2.2 ISO and I've found the following:
- Removing "Apple Audio Extension" appears to prevent some kind of
corruption which allows MacsBugs to give non-corrupt stack traces
The resulting stack trace points at "AINI 8042 05AE Startup ASLM PPC"
Further removing "Open Transport ASLM Modules" allows boot to proceed
nearly all the way except for a hang just before the progress bar reaches the end
- Finally removing "Multiprocessing" allows boot to proceed all the way
to the desktop
Alfonso/John can you confirm whether removing these 3 extensions works for your images too? If you are able to run the OS 9 installer all the way through and manually mount the hd images to remove them by hand before the next boot, do you end up with a bootable OS 9 HD image?
Which version of Macsbug are you using? Do you have an 9.2.2 image file available for download that has macsbug installed? I tried installing
Macsbug
6.6.3 into my iso file, but Mac OS 9 always stops booting right before
the debugger
message is suppose to appear.
One other thing I forgot to mention: if you install MacsBugs onto your ISO, you need to provide some mouse or keyboard input around the time when the happy mac icon appears (I normally capture the mouse and move it around a little), otherwise as you mention you see a freeze just before "Debugger Installed" appears.
My guess is that MacsBugs is trying to work out whether to use ADB or USB for keyboard, so unless the OS 9 ADB driver gets any input then it can't decide and hangs on boot. Then again this could be another bug somewhere in the QEMU ADB emulation...
ATB,
Mark.
Mark,
You are correct about booting MacsBug and mouse or keyboard input during happy mac icon! Also, Programmingkid, you hit the nail on the head regarding those extensions. Removing those 4 extensions and Multiprocessing Folder does indeed allow boot to desktop.
In my testing tonight, I was able to successfully patch the System file to allow the System Folder from the installation cd to boot off the hard disk image, before it was throwing an error after happy mac icon saying the media had been copied and would not boot. I achieved this by editing the System file and removing the resource "xboo". This resource apparently checks whether the boot volume is a locked HFS volume or not, and denies boot accordingly.
I have included MacsBug 6.6.3 in the System Folder, and right before I get to desktop, MacsBug opens with a "PowerPC Illegal Instruction at 00000000", but I am able to type ES (escape to shell) to successfully boot into the desktop.
Next, when running either the 9.2.1 OR 9.2.2 installer, MacsBug throws, "PowerPC unmapped memory exception at AAFE0700". I am then able to escape to shell and resume the Finder. I have tried copying the installer to another disk image, increase memory allocation, to no avail. The same error persists.
I was also unable to find a method to boot any installed System File. I attempted to use an existing 9.2.2 System Folder found on macintoshgarden, which would crash QEMU completely. Next, extracting the "Big System Morsels" file from the 9.2.2 installation cd (which should be the System file, just renamed and with a different creator code) and setting the Creator and Type Codes, throwing it in the System Folder and rebooting, results in an Illegal Instruction and or Bus Error during boot.
Seems we still have some work to do...
I'm uploading a disk image y'all can use to boot to OS9.2.2CDSYSTEM for further testing, I will forward the link when its ready to download.
-Alfonso
On Nov 23, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 22/11/15 17:39, Programmingkid wrote:
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be causing the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
Now this is definitely helpful. Just to confirm that the presence of any *one* of these modules causes boot to fail?
Yes. That is correct.
I've just done some testing here on my 9.2.2 ISO and I've found the following:
- Removing "Apple Audio Extension" appears to prevent some kind of
corruption which allows MacsBugs to give non-corrupt stack traces
The resulting stack trace points at "AINI 8042 05AE Startup ASLM PPC"
Further removing "Open Transport ASLM Modules" allows boot to proceed
nearly all the way except for a hang just before the progress bar reaches the end
- Finally removing "Multiprocessing" allows boot to proceed all the way
to the desktop
Alfonso/John can you confirm whether removing these 3 extensions works for your images too? If you are able to run the OS 9 installer all the way through and manually mount the hd images to remove them by hand before the next boot, do you end up with a bootable OS 9 HD image?
It does work for me, but an illegal instruction error took place when the desktop showed up. I could not do anything after the crash. Mac OS 9 does hang sometimes earlier in the boot process, so the above results are not consistent.
My info: Image: Mac OS 9.2.1 (Cormac's image) Macsbug 6.6.3 Host: Mac OS 10.6
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Programmingkid programmingkidx@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 23, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 22/11/15 17:39, Programmingkid wrote:
Hi Alfonso,
Has there been any progress at all as to which extensions may be
causing
the crashes?
Remove these extensions from the Extensions folder and Mac OS 9 will
boot to the desktop:
Apple Audio Extension Apple Enet Multiprocessing folder Open Transport aslm modules Text Encoding Converter
Note: I used Cormac's Mac OS 9.2.1 iso file to do my testing.
Now this is definitely helpful. Just to confirm that the presence of
any
*one* of these modules causes boot to fail?
Yes. That is correct.
I've just done some testing here on my 9.2.2 ISO and I've found the following:
- Removing "Apple Audio Extension" appears to prevent some kind of
corruption which allows MacsBugs to give non-corrupt stack traces
The resulting stack trace points at "AINI 8042 05AE Startup ASLM PPC"
Further removing "Open Transport ASLM Modules" allows boot to proceed
nearly all the way except for a hang just before the progress bar reaches the end
- Finally removing "Multiprocessing" allows boot to proceed all the way
to the desktop
Alfonso/John can you confirm whether removing these 3 extensions works for your images too? If you are able to run the OS 9 installer all the way through and manually mount the hd images to remove them by hand before the next boot, do you end up with a bootable OS 9 HD image?
Which version of Macsbug are you using? Do you have an 9.2.2 image file available for download that has macsbug installed? I tried installing Macsbug 6.6.3 into my iso file, but Mac OS 9 always stops booting right before the debugger message is suppose to appear.
Here are some links I packaged for the emaculation forum, included is an image with macsbug installed already. I had success booting to desktop.
Note: it seems as time goes by, booting several times using the ISO images corrupts them, resulting in failed boots with crashes at the boot splash screen. Crashes will continue until you replace them with fresh ones from the zip files. Reasons as to why are unknown at this time.
Resedit, Stuffit, Toast, Disk Copy, utilities in an ISO to mount within QEMU: http://bebop.gtxent.com/qemu_os9_utilities.iso.zip
MacOS 9.2.2 bootable image(extensions all removed): http://bebop.gtxent.com/os922_uni.iso.zip
MacOS 9.2.1 bootable image(extensions all removed): http://bebop.gtxent.com/os92_test.iso.zip
MacOS 9.2.1 bootable image with macsbug (extensions all removed): http://bebop.gtxent.com/os92_test_macsbug.iso.zip
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Alfonso Gamboa -
Mark Cave-Ayland -
Programmingkid