On 25/01/13 19:31, Blue Swirl wrote:
PenguinPPC used to have them online, but not anymore. Wayback Machine still remembers: http://web.archive.org/web/20090107130842/http://penguinppc.org/historical/d...
Other trees are also there: http://web.archive.org/web/20081120133742/http://penguinppc.org/historical/d...
That's very useful. I'm tempted to archive these and put them somewhere on the wiki, as once these are gone it's going to be hard to find them again.
Also - I notice in the link above that g3_beige_266 doesn't have a CMD646 controller? The g3_bw does though.
ATB,
Mark.
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 06:02:10PM +0000, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 25/01/13 19:31, Blue Swirl wrote:
PenguinPPC used to have them online, but not anymore. Wayback Machine still remembers: http://web.archive.org/web/20090107130842/http://penguinppc.org/historical/d...
Other trees are also there: http://web.archive.org/web/20081120133742/http://penguinppc.org/historical/d...
That's very useful. I'm tempted to archive these and put them somewhere on the wiki, as once these are gone it's going to be hard to find them again.
Also - I notice in the link above that g3_beige_266 doesn't have a CMD646 controller? The g3_bw does though.
The ones having AAPL,ROM are oldworld machines having firmware with version less than 3.
From wikipedia:
"All Macs prior to the iMac, the iBook, the Blue and White Power Mac G3 and the Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3 use Old World ROM, while the iMac, iBook, Blue and White G3, and Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3, as well as all subsequent models until the introduction of the Intel-based EFI Models are New World ROM machines."
Amadeusz
On 27/01/13 01:45, Amadeusz Sławiński wrote:
From wikipedia:
"All Macs prior to the iMac, the iBook, the Blue and White Power Mac G3 and the Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3 use Old World ROM, while the iMac, iBook, Blue and White G3, and Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3, as well as all subsequent models until the introduction of the Intel-based EFI Models are New World ROM machines."
Hmmmm so in that case the QEMU device model isn't quite right - interesting.
ATB,
Mark.
On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 27/01/13 01:45, Amadeusz Sławiński wrote:
From wikipedia:
"All Macs prior to the iMac, the iBook, the Blue and White Power Mac G3 and the Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3 use Old World ROM, while the iMac, iBook, Blue and White G3, and Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3, as well as all subsequent models until the introduction of the Intel-based EFI Models are New World ROM machines."
Hmmmm so in that case the QEMU device model isn't quite right - interesting.
It looks like the Beige G3 didn't even come with Open Firmware. I personally think this Macintosh model is more trouble than it is worth. It can only support up to Mac OS 10.2.
My suggestion is to start emulating a newer Macintosh. I propose the G3 iMac. It can support both the classic Mac OS and OS X. It also did come with Open Firmware and more people are likely have one given the fast of how popular they were in the day.
Programmingkid wrote:
On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote:
On 27/01/13 01:45, Amadeusz Sławiński wrote:> >>> From wikipedia:>> "All Macs prior to the iMac, the iBook, the Blue and White Power Mac G3>> and the Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3 use Old World ROM, while the iMac,>> iBook, Blue and White G3, and Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3, as well as>> all subsequent models until the introduction of the Intel-based EFI>> Models are New World ROM machines."> > Hmmmm so in that case the QEMU device model isn't quite right - interesting.
It looks like the Beige G3 didn't even come with Open Firmware. I personally think this Macintosh model is more trouble than it is worth. It can only support up to Mac OS 10.2. My suggestion is to start emulating a newer Macintosh. I propose the G3 iMac. It can support both the classic Mac OS and OS X. It also did come with Open Firmware and more people are likely have one given the fast of how popular they were in the day. -- OpenBIOS http://openbios.org/Mailinglist: http://lists.openbios.org/mailman/listinfoFree your System - Mayy the Forth be with you
It's definitely got OFW, but not necessarily a full implementation. I find this in my notes but can't supply any URLs on which I based it:
-----8<----- PPC-based Macs use Open Firmware which is substantially the same as SPARC-based Suns, however the one we've got is apparently the oldest to have anything approaching a competent implementation. To get into it hold Apple + Option + O + F (i.e. four keys, "Option" has a curious glyph and might also be labelled "alt") during power-up then e.g. setenv auto-boot? false to make sure it always goes to a prompt. Not entirely reliable- onboard battery suspect: 1/2 AA 3.6V Tadiran lithium.
I think this machine is "OldWorld" so it too old for the Yaboot loader- it doesn't respond to the boot cd:,\yaboot hack. Alternatives are BootX which assumes a preexisting MacOS and Quik which assumes a preexisting Linux.
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I can use Open Firmware to display a tree of devices etc. and it would not surprise me if there were some arcane way to set up the card using Forth but I've not seen info on that and I'm not sure the limited reward justifies the effort- if I really need USB on PPC we look for a later machine. ----->8-----
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