Re: [OpenBIOS] Intel holding back information

[Brian Smith]

Hi all,

Can anybody let me know what compiler to buy that is good for asm
and c++.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross 
To: [e-mail]

Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OpenBIOS] Intel holding back information
> Niklas Ekström:
>
> I'm running windows 95 (the latest version), and a C++ 4.5 C compiler
> and I could not get the source code for the OpenBios off of the
> Internet.
> Can you or anyone on this list help obtain the source code? in plain
> text.
> Sorry about your troubles with intel  I found the best way to get
> data from
> is to say that you are going in the future be purchasing 20k of  the
> 430xx
> chipset and they normally give you what you want.
>
> //Ross
>
> (HANWE)
>
> : From: Niklas Ekström 
> : To: [e-mail]
> : Subject: Re: [OpenBIOS] Intel holding back information
> : Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 5:06 AM
> :
> : On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Ron Tsur wrote:
> : > I would not be subscribing to this mailing list if I would not
> share
> : > your interest in open source and free OpenBIOS.  I don't think
> that you
> : > are stupid, but your attitude sucks, because you attack the very
> people
> : > that are trying to help you.
> :
> : Yes you're right. I've gotten really frustrated talking to
> braindead
> : Intel reps (most of them atleast), who just points me in some other
> : direction. So the last thing I needed to hear was "have you tried
> : developer.intel.com?". Anyway, I'm sorry about that, it wasn't you
> I was
> : barking at. (However, I do ask that people read through the
> question
> : before answering it, so they don't answer the wrong question...)
> :
> : > If you read my letter carefully, you will see that I offered you
> some real
> : > help.  I can probably get the documents you need at any time.
> However, I
> : > cannot distribute them legally without the owners (Intel)
> consent.
> :
> : Yesterday I got a mail from a guy at my local Intel distributor,
> where he
> : explains why Intel didn't give away the specs (atleast what he
> thinks). He
> : said that the reason is probably that if Intel gives out the specs,
> they
> : also have to give support and because of that they don't want to
> give it
> : out to just anyone. But he also said that if I could prove that
> Intel
> : would sell more chips (probably >5k/year, the guy said), they would
> almost
> : certainly give out the specs. However, I'd says it's highly
> unlikely that
> : people (atleast that many) would buy an Intel machine just to run
> this
> : BIOS on it...
> :
> : Maybe if I can convince them that I, or anyone I give the specs to,
> will
> : not require support for it?
> :
> : > Now, comes my question.  Why do you need Intel's BIOS specs.  If
> you are
> : > working on a truly OPEN software product, isn't it better to take
> the
> : > "cleanroom" approach?
> :
> : Ofcourse that is an alternative, but then I would have to get the
> : information that is available in the BIOS specs from some other
> place (or
> : possible reverse engineer or just guess etc) and I feel that it
> would be
> : unnessecary difficult, compared to just having all information in
> one
> : specification. Ofcourse I wouldn't change my BIOS design because of
> : something that I read in the BIOS spec.
> :
> : > Thanks for listening,
> :
> : Thank you for helping! :)
> :
> : / Niklas
> :
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