OpenBIOS August 2001

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Re: boy is EFI a kludge!
by ebiederman＠lnxi.com 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Ronald G Minnich <rminnich(a)lanl.gov> writes: > I'm good with reverse engineering SAL then. All the itanium software that > intel ships is just so terrible from what I've seen. Maybe we can help > them a little :-) My rule of thumb is something like if I have some kind feedback 30 seconds after boot, I figure the BIOS is hopeless. And EFI so far meets those criterion. Eric - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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boy is EFI a kludge!
by Ronald G Minnich 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

OK, looking around, it's about what I expected. However one thing we might be able to use: EFI is called from something called SAL. SAL is real low-level stuff you will never see the source to that does all the horrible stuff that Intel won't tell us how to do. You don't need EFI. You need something to link to SAL that replaces EFI. I think that's our hook. ron - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Gavin Robert Brewer 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Per, I dont want that source code any more. Forget it man. It was a great offer, but I dont wanna get caught. Even if I am in the UK. Gavin. - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Brian Hurt 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Per Jessen wrote: > All, > > having just returned from a weeks sailing in the Ionian Sea, I remembered > I had a number of requests for a copy of the Award BIOS source code I > mentioned in a previous posting to the list. > > If you're interested, simply reply to this email. > I am somewhat concerned about the potiential licensing and intellectual property rights problems distributing a copy of the proprietary BIOS on the open-bios mailing list, or even to a large segment of it's developers, would entail. Perhaps I missed the original message to the list which dealt with this. Has it been discussed? Brian - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Hassan OUBENSAID 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Hi, Thanks for your collaboration in this mailing list. I live in france, and I am really interested in BIOS developpement and hardware programming. Therefore, I woulmd really appreciate if you can send me the AWARD source code for educational purpose. Best regards. Hassan OUBENSAID France. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Jessen" <per(a)computer.org> To: <openbios(a)elvis.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Cc: <eddy(a)noc.everquick.net>; <clive.jenkins(a)clara.net>; <cu0815(a)compuserve.de> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests > All, > > having just returned from a weeks sailing in the Ionian Sea, I remembered > I had a number of requests for a copy of the Award BIOS source code I > mentioned in a previous posting to the list. > > If you're interested, simply reply to this email. > > Note: the gzipped tar-ball is about 5Mb. > > > regards, > Per > > > regards, > Per Jessen, Zurich > http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. > > Windows 2001: "I'm sorry Dave ... I'm afraid I can't do that." > > > - > To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de > with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message > - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Stefan Reinauer 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

* Per Jessen <per(a)computer.org> [010827 21:37]: > >somebody made a similar offer a long time ago on the linuxbios mailing > >list. I checked the old emails in that concerning this. About four or five > >people told the person we were not at all interested, since it was a > >proprietary bios and the code probably sucked anyway (that is one thing > >I've learned by talking to people who did have access to this standard > >BIOSes -- hideous assembly code). > > Certainly assembler code - and not particularly pretty either. I don't see it > being used anywhere for anything else than perhaps a learning exercise. Which is indeed enough for getting sued or not being able to work on the project. Someone described the process of reengineering the IBM Bios in the early 80ies some days ago on this mailing list. The OpenBIOS project is not interested in any proprietary crap, neither from AMI nor Award/Phoenix, nor any other commercial Firmware implementation. The idea is exactly to do stuff better by starting a completely new implementation based on IEEE 1275-1994. For this purpose, any proprietary sources are useless anyways. Regarding the fact that this discussion appeared on the OpenBIOS mailing list I have to see what consequences the core maintainance and development team has to make to clarify that no work we did was based on seeing or copying proprietary code from whom whatsoever. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Stefan Reinauer <stepan(a)suse.de> -- Mad, adj.: Affected with a high degree of intellectual independence. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Per Jessen 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:12:15 -0600 (MDT), Ronald G Minnich wrote: >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Per Jessen wrote: > >> I certainly have no intention of breaking any laws and/or regulations, >> or violating anybodys copyrights. Most assuredly not. I believe the >> code was already made publicly available a while ago, quite possibly >> via the linuxbios mailing list. > > >somebody made a similar offer a long time ago on the linuxbios mailing >list. I checked the old emails in that concerning this. About four or five >people told the person we were not at all interested, since it was a >proprietary bios and the code probably sucked anyway (that is one thing >I've learned by talking to people who did have access to this standard >BIOSes -- hideous assembly code). Certainly assembler code - and not particularly pretty either. I don't see it being used anywhere for anything else than perhaps a learning exercise. regards, Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Windows 2001: "I'm sorry Dave ... I'm afraid I can't do that." - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Ronald G Minnich 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

who wants to contact award and find out what's going on? ron - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Ronald G Minnich 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Per Jessen wrote: > I certainly have no intention of breaking any laws and/or regulations, > or violating anybodys copyrights. Most assuredly not. I believe the > code was already made publicly available a while ago, quite possibly > via the linuxbios mailing list. somebody made a similar offer a long time ago on the linuxbios mailing list. I checked the old emails in that concerning this. About four or five people told the person we were not at all interested, since it was a proprietary bios and the code probably sucked anyway (that is one thing I've learned by talking to people who did have access to this standard BIOSes -- hideous assembly code). But we've never been willing to go near it. ron - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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Re: [OpenBIOS] award bios source code - please send requests
by Per Jessen 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris Maresca wrote: > >Unless, that is, Per Jessen has a license to distribute source code AND >has the authority to release it for inclusion in Open Source licensed >software. The code is copyrighted by Award, and is not for inclusion into anything. Like I said before, I have no intention of violating anybodys copyrights, and if it is felt that this is the case, I shall immediately withdraw the offer. However, the code was made available to me with no conditions, perhaps with the exception that the copyrights were honoured. regards, Per Jessen regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Windows 2001: "I'm sorry Dave ... I'm afraid I can't do that." - To unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo(a)freiburg.linux.de with 'unsubscribe openbios' in the body of the message

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