[coreboot] Thread derailment

[David Hendricks]

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Ivan Ivanov <qmastery16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Regarding the FSP-S thread - sorry, but I did not see any derailment.
> The whole thread - 'Why do we have FSP-S' - is about "why we should
> have more blobs when we already have enough?" And its understandable
> that some people got upset while seeing how coreboot is slowly turning
> from being almost completely open source to the big collection of blobs
> launching each other. Hopefully this reply would not get me removed...

The problem is the animosity some members brought to the other thread,
complete with conspiracy theories about "corporate control", insults
directed Intel, and negative comments about coreboot.

Just because someone doesn't like a particular vendor or blobs doesn't
mean they should interject with rude comments and prevent others from
having a civil discussion. The FSP-S thread illustrates exactly why
companies don't "consult the community" before doing things. If the
mailing list can't be used to discuss things with major hardware
vendors then these discussions will simply happen elsewhere without
any community input.

We need open dialogue with vendors more than we need obnoxious
commentary from certain individuals.

>
> Best regards,
> Ivan Ivanov
>
> 2018-05-01 19:07 GMT+03:00 ron minnich <rminnich at gmail.com>:
> > We've had to remove people from the list before, and I suppose at some point
> > it might have to happen again. Nobody likes this option. Sometimes there is
> > no choice.
> >
> > I agree that on a technical discussion list there's no place for abusive
> > language. We're all trying to do the best we can in a non-ideal world.
> >
> > ron
> >
> > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:03 AM David Hendricks <david.hendricks at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >> Recently I've noticed an uptick in threads going off-topic. While some
> >> noise should be expected on an open source mailing list, I think it's become
> >> very counterproductive in many recent cases. A good example is the FSP-S
> >> thread going on where we see clear examples of people interjecting with
> >> non-technical diatribes and disrespecting developers, corporate
> >> contributors, and coreboot itself in violation of the existing community
> >> standards (https://coreboot.org/Code_of_Conduct).
> >>
> >> Most of this is perpetrated by a very small handful of individuals who
> >> have not contributed anything to the codebase, so I think the current
> >> problem could be dealt with easily. It might also be worth adding something
> >> about keeping threads on-topic and focused on technology in the Code of
> >> Conduct.
> >>
> >> Another option would be to have a developer-only mailing list, but I think
> >> it's best to try and keep things open to the community at large even if that
> >> means ejecting the most disruptive members.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> --
> >> coreboot mailing list: coreboot at coreboot.org
> >> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
> >
> >
> > --
> > coreboot mailing list: coreboot at coreboot.org
> > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
>
> --
> coreboot mailing list: coreboot at coreboot.org
> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot