[coreboot] Remote security exploit in all 2008+ Intel platforms

[Zoran Stojsavljevic]

> But I also saw Todd working very hard to try *to engage Intel*, over a
period of years.

Whoever might be believing in this statement: Good luck to you all. You'll
need it, really! :-(

Zoran

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:56 PM, ron minnich <rminnich at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM Nico Huber <nico.h at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry Ron, I didn't write it to offend you.
>>
>
> No problem. It hurt a bit because I respect you so much :-)
>
> I find that people's take on Purism varies depending on whether they have
> personally interacted with Todd or not. Up here in Mountain View we've had
> multiple meetings as we tried to provide guidance to Todd. From that
> experience I've come to believe that Purism, like so many of us when we
> started out, was extremely naive about what was possible, and made claims
> based on their lack of knowledge. But I also saw Todd working very hard to
> try to engage Intel, over a period of years. I saw a sincere effort to
> achieve their goals, coupled with a complete lack of knowledge about how
> much effort it was, which led to them making claims that could not be
> supported.
>
> I hope they are cleaning up their claims.  They made a lot of mistakes
> over the first few years, and were way too optimistic about how all this
> was going to work, which cost them a lot of trust, and that is their fault.
> Adding Youness was a good move, and has got them going in the right
> direction.
>
> If anyone at Purism is listening, could you please take the time to talk
> to people from this group about your web site and the claims you are
> making? From what Nico says, you're still overdoing it. It just makes you
> look bad and you don't need that.
>
> At the same time, we need to be realistic about what's going to be
> possible in x86 universe. And the answer, I'm afraid, is "less and less".
> I'm afraid blobs are a permanent part of the picture on any new x86 design,
> and if you don't like that (I don't) then it's time to find a new
> architecture to work on, as Tim and others are doing.
>
> [Nico, this last part is not about what you said.] I realize feelings are
> strong about these issues, but calling people and projects "corrupt" is
> unacceptable and, in my view anyway, I'd like people who say such things to
> find another project. I watched the Plan 9 mailling list get destroyed by a
> few bad actors and I don't want to see that happen here.
>
> Thanks
>
> ron
>
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