[OpenBIOS] Intel holding back information

Brian Smith smith at elvis.rowan.edu
Sun Aug 8 16:03:15 CEST 1999

Hi all,

        Can anybody let me know what compiler to buy that is good for asm
and c++.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross <rossio at hoeftd.reno.nv.us>
To: openbios at elvis.informatik.uni-freiburg.de
<openbios at elvis.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OpenBIOS] Intel holding back information

>Niklas Ekström:
>I'm running windows 95 (the latest version), and a C++ 4.5 C compiler
>and I could not get the source code for the OpenBios off of the
>Can you or anyone on this list help obtain the source code? in plain
>Sorry about your troubles with intel  I found the best way to get
>data from
>is to say that you are going in the future be purchasing 20k of  the
>chipset and they normally give you what you want.
>: From: Niklas Ekström <t97nek at student.tdb.uu.se>
>: To: openbios at elvis.informatik.uni-freiburg.de
>: Subject: Re: [OpenBIOS] Intel holding back information
>: Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 5:06 AM
>: On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Ron Tsur wrote:
>: > I would not be subscribing to this mailing list if I would not
>: > your interest in open source and free OpenBIOS.  I don't think
>that you
>: > are stupid, but your attitude sucks, because you attack the very
>: > that are trying to help you.
>: Yes you're right. I've gotten really frustrated talking to
>: Intel reps (most of them atleast), who just points me in some other
>: direction. So the last thing I needed to hear was "have you tried
>: developer.intel.com?". Anyway, I'm sorry about that, it wasn't you
>I was
>: barking at. (However, I do ask that people read through the
>: before answering it, so they don't answer the wrong question...)
>: > If you read my letter carefully, you will see that I offered you
>some real
>: > help.  I can probably get the documents you need at any time.
>However, I
>: > cannot distribute them legally without the owners (Intel)
>: Yesterday I got a mail from a guy at my local Intel distributor,
>where he
>: explains why Intel didn't give away the specs (atleast what he
>thinks). He
>: said that the reason is probably that if Intel gives out the specs,
>: also have to give support and because of that they don't want to
>give it
>: out to just anyone. But he also said that if I could prove that
>: would sell more chips (probably >5k/year, the guy said), they would
>: certainly give out the specs. However, I'd says it's highly
>unlikely that
>: people (atleast that many) would buy an Intel machine just to run
>: BIOS on it...
>: Maybe if I can convince them that I, or anyone I give the specs to,
>: not require support for it?
>: > Now, comes my question.  Why do you need Intel's BIOS specs.  If
>you are
>: > working on a truly OPEN software product, isn't it better to take
>: > "cleanroom" approach?
>: Ofcourse that is an alternative, but then I would have to get the
>: information that is available in the BIOS specs from some other
>place (or
>: possible reverse engineer or just guess etc) and I feel that it
>would be
>: unnessecary difficult, compared to just having all information in
>: specification. Ofcourse I wouldn't change my BIOS design because of
>: something that I read in the BIOS spec.
>: > Thanks for listening,
>: Thank you for helping! :)
>: / Niklas
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