[coreboot] USB problem with Haswell+LynxPointLP motherboards

Fri Oct 27 19:13:26 CEST 2017

I'll try (boldly, unfortunately) to help here... I really admire Kostja's
tremendous fight for The Solution of this problem (for The Truth)!

Since I see/read: GOOGLE and INTEL professionals are basically nowhere with
the assessment of this problem (on this list)?!

Why it is so, my dear friends??? One million $$ USD question!? Conscious
question (my best guess)???
_______

Here is something out of deepness of my mind... As I recall!

When HSW enters S3, its system context is retained in DRAM, so components
not critical for state retention/waking up the host are turned off.
One of the systems powered on in S3 is an USB system... As well as RTC
system.

And, after all, searching on these Realities, further down on the open net,
here are some useful info:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/
documents/datasheets/4th-gen-core-family-mobile-m-h-processor-lines-vol-1-
datasheet.pdf

(Chapter 4.0 Power Management)

I hope this can help... Somehow [*this time without attachment, since
Coreboot mailer blocked me*]

Zoran

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Zoran Stojsavljevic <
zoran.stojsavljevic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll try (boldly, unfortunately) to help here... I really admire Kostja's
> tremendous fight for The Solution of this problem (for The Truth)!
>
> Since I see/read: GOOGLE and INTEL professionals are basically nowhere
> with the assessment of this problem (on this list)?!
>
> Why it is so, my dear friends??? One million $$ USD question!? Conscious
> question (my best guess)???
> _______
>
> Here is something out of deepness of my mind... As I recall!
>
> When HSW enters S3, its system context is retained in DRAM, so components
> not critical for state retention/waking up the host are turned off.
> One of the systems powered on in S3 is an USB system... As well as RTC
> system.
>
> And, after all, searching on these Realities, further down on the open
> net, here are some useful info:
> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/
> documents/datasheets/4th-gen-core-family-mobile-m-h-processor-lines-vol-1-
> datasheet.pdf
>
> (Chapter 4.0 Power Management)
>
> I hope this can help... Somehow!
>
> Zoran
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Аладышев Константин <aladyshev at nicevt.ru>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I’ve found one more solution: don’t generate ACPI C-state tables.
>>
>> In "devicetree.cb" replace all C-states registers with 0, indicating C0
>> state.
>>                         register "c1_battery" = "0"        #"2" #
>> ACPI(C1) = MWAIT(C1E)
>>                         register "c2_battery" = "0"        #"3" #
>> ACPI(C2) = MWAIT(C3)
>>                         register "c3_battery" = "0"        #"9" #
>> ACPI(C3) = MWAIT(C7S)
>>
>>                         register "c1_acpower" = "0"     #"2"    #
>> ACPI(C1) = MWAIT(C1E)
>>                         register "c2_acpower" = "0"     #"3"    #
>> ACPI(C2) = MWAIT(C3)
>>                         register "c3_acpower" = "0"     #"9"    #
>> ACPI(C3) = MWAIT(C7S)
>>
>> After this change coreboot wouldn't generate _CST tables for ACPI
>> C-states.
>>
>> Original BIOSes of two Haswell motherboards that I have, don’t generate
>> _CST tables, so maybe it is not so bad.
>>
>> But I don’t quite understand why even without those tables "cpupower
>> idle-info" and "cpupower monitor -m Idle_Stats" shows that CPU enters and
>> exits all supported C-states. Btw, Haswell ULT has a lot of C-states: C0,
>> C1, C1E, C2E, C3, C6, C7, C8, C9, C10.
>>
>> There are a lot of MSRs to control C-states + two alternative interfaces
>> in ACPI (_CST and FADT), so it is quite hard for me to check if all of it
>> is done correctly.
>>
>> State C3 and lower flush core caches, so maybe this is the reason why
>> commit about EHCI command solves my issue.
>>
>> Also I've found interesting part in Haswell BWG:
>> "
>> Idle Duration Reporting is the capability for devices to communicate to
>> the processor
>> about their planned period of activity or idleness. Based on when the
>> device would next
>> interrupt the core, the PCU can place the core in an appropriate idle
>> state.
>> • On 4th Generation Intel® Core™ processors, cores are expected to report
>> their Idle
>> Duration time via the respective APIC timers. Since 4th Generation Intel®
>> Core™
>> processors support Always running APIC timer (ARAT), the PCU will save
>> this data
>> when cores are in a deep sleep state and use the closest expiring timer
>> value as the
>> Device Idle duration.
>> "
>>
>> So, maybe without APIC-timer cores can't report their activity/idleness
>> time and C-states are not supported?? That is why boot with "noapictimer"
>> doesn't have problems.
>>
>> Or maybe all problems are from wrong APIC timer. What do you think? What
>> part of ACPI code is responsible for APIC timer setting?
>>
>>
>> One more interesting observation:
>>
>> "
>> On previous processors, the chipset was responsible for actually changing
>> the
>> processor C-state seen by the package. On 4th Generation Intel® Core™
>> processors,
>> this logic moves to the System Agent, and the chipset is no longer
>> responsible for
>> driving processor package C-state transitions.
>> "
>>
>> Can it be that mrc.bin (System Agent blob) just doesn't configured for
>> C-states?
>>
>>
>> And at the end I want to notice, that according to BWG BIOS should expose
>> different C-states tables to different OSes by reading _PDC method and
>> coreboot doesn't do it at all.
>>
>>
>> P.S.: This issue was also responsible for USB stuck in Windows 7. So this
>> problem is seems more important than support of some old Linux kernels.
>>
>>
>> From: Аладышев Константин [mailto:aladyshev at nicevt.ru]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:57 PM
>> To: 'ron minnich'; 'Julius Werner'
>> Cc: 'Coreboot'
>> Subject: Re: [coreboot] USB problem with Haswell+LynxPointLP motherboards
>>
>> No, unfortunately this option by itself doesn’t help.
>>
>> I guess my minimal hammer is ‘noapictimer’
>>
>> But I wonder how these 3 boot parameters (‘noapictimer’ ‘nolapic’ and
>> ‘acpi=off’) separately help to solve my issue.
>>
>> What part is wrong in ACPI and correct in MP-table? Maybe the problem is
>> in ACPI MADT table? But it doesn’t really have much info that can be wrong.
>> The one strangeness I found compared to original BIOS is mapping between
>> ProcID and APIC ID in lapic entries.
>>
>> Coreboot has straightforward: 0-0, 1-1, 2-2, 3-3.
>> But original BIOS has: 1-0, 2-2, 3-1, 4-3
>>
>> I wonder if it means something?
>>
>>
>> From: ron minnich [mailto:rminnich at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:29 PM
>> To: Аладышев Константин; Julius Werner
>> Cc: Coreboot
>> Subject: Re: [coreboot] USB problem with Haswell+LynxPointLP motherboards
>>
>> we had a similar problem and we set
>> pci=nocrs
>>
>> which means 'ignore what ACPI tells you and probe it again"
>>
>> It's much less of a big hammer than 'acpi=off' :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:22 AM Аладышев Константин <aladyshev at nicevt.ru>
>> wrote:
>> I've found one more parameter that helps me boot without USB problem:
>> 'noapictimer'
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Аладышев Константин [mailto:aladyshev at nicevt.ru]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:58 PM
>> To: 'Julius Werner'
>> Cc: 'Coreboot'
>> Subject: Re: [coreboot] USB problem with Haswell+LynxPointLP motherboards
>>
>> Ok, I've done some investigations about what can be the source of my
>> problem:
>>
>> 1) last value of COMMAND register from BIOS I've dumped all EHCI
>> registers (pci and memory) at the beginning of linux kernel EHCI
>> initialization. And to my surprise pretty all memory registers in original
>> BIOS look like almost uninitialized compared to my coreboot+seabios image.
>> I don't really know how to work with EHCI controller, but seabios do it
>> through periodic and async schedule and their enable bits (in COMMAND
>> register from commit!) aren't active in original BIOS. I've tried to
>> disable ehci initialization in seabios and after that registers dump
>> started to look almost the same, compared to original bios, but it didn't
>> solve my issue. Also without them USB doesn't work in grub. So it doesn't
>> seem like BIOS last value of COMMAND register really matter.
>>
>> 2) SMI
>> There are special registers for EHCI controller SMIs in its pci config
>> space:
>> -USB EHCI Legacy Support Extended
>> -Intel Specific USB 2.0 SMI
>> But in both of them SMIs are disabled as in coreboot+seabios image as in
>> original bios.
>>
>> 3) ACPI
>> In original BIOS ACPI doesn't do anything to EHCI COMMAND register from
>> commit. It doesn't have a name for it or declare it in some region. Anyway
>> I've copied almost all asl EHCI controller code, but it didn't help.
>>
>> BUT! I've provided MP-table and PIRQ table to coreboot and I can say that
>> the problem disappears when I boot with 'acpi=off' parameter!
>> Also it disappears when I boot with 'nolapic' parameter
>>
>> What do they have in common??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jwerner at google.com [mailto:jwerner at google.com] On Behalf Of Julius
>> Werner
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:56 AM
>> To: Аладышев Константин
>> Cc: Coreboot
>> Subject: Re: [coreboot] USB problem with Haswell+LynxPointLP motherboards
>>
>> > And now I'm kinda stuck. The effect of this commit doesn't seem to
>> > interface with bios for me. So how does original IBASE/DFI bios can
>> > overcome code error before this commit?
>> >
>> > What can be the source of my problem? What should I investigate more
>> > precise based on result that I've got?
>>
>> My gut feeling would be to blame ACPI. The Linux patch is about caching a
>> host controller register in the kernel, and in some cases (e.g.
>> ehci_reset()), the patch re-reads the cached version from the hardware
>> whereas the previous code didn't. If some BIOS ACPI mucks with that
>> register, it's possible that this got the kernel's cached copy out of sync
>> before this patch, but with the patch the kernel will re-read it from the
>> hardware at the right time. Maybe only coreboot's ACPI routines touch the
>> register in that path, or maybe the vendor BIOS' routines were more careful
>> to restore the original state afterwards.
>>
>> Besides ACPI this could also be in SMM code, I guess (especially if the
>> problem occurs around system suspend/resume, although it sounds like it
>> doesn't for you).
>>
>>
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