[coreboot] call on AMD to release src+specs+datasheets for ryzen

Taiidan at gmx.com Taiidan at gmx.com
Sat Mar 4 02:57:40 CET 2017

On 03/03/2017 02:25 PM, Leah Rowe wrote:

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> Hi all,
> https://libreboot.org/amd-libre/
> We call on coreboot to join us in our campaign to convince AMD to
> start cooperating with the libre hardware community again. Are there
> people in coreboot already doing this?
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> Leah Rowe
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Definitely - No matter what anyone thinks about the probability of this 
happening it is still very important that we show them how much we care.

Of course they also must release the signing keys as well afaik, or we 
would be stuck at a tivo style not really open source impasse.
Nobody has mentioned this fact in that thread.

I can't understand as to why intel/amd after decades and decades of 
computing suddenly add a black box supervisor processor to every product 
line (not just the business models) that can't be removed or modified. 
All we are asking for is a way to shut it off but for some reason they 
believe that is unreasonable.

One of the side issues is also the lack of open source GPU firmware and 
of course the signing keys for that as well.

It is incredibly depressing that every commodity grade computer is 
moving to the locked down model, we can only hope that POWER will not 
follow suit.

On 03/03/2017 06:26 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> So, first,  I admire and agree with your enthusiasm for making this happen.
> I hope it works.
> That said, having gotten vendors to break open this kind of information,
> with a number of vendors a number of times, and having both failed and
> succeeded, my experience is that a broadcast call like this is probably the
> least effective approach.
> So I'd rather not have the "coreboot community" join in this sort of call,
> for the simple reason that I would rather see us place our efforts on
> something that's likely to be effective. That  involves individual members
> of our community spending lots of time locating the right people in the
> right organizations, getting them into a single room, talking to them,
> drafting documents, and getting them to agree to some sort of joint
> communique. It's time consuming and boring but it's how the jobs gets done.
> But, that work naturally occurs behind closed doors, not via web pages.
> We could target putting a meeting with AMD together at the Denver meeting
> or the one in the fall.
> ron
Yeah I agree, that would be what could really make something happen.

It is like the difference between getting a job interview with an HR 
lackey and an actual technical person.

Intel would never be willing to do this, but AMD? slightly possible.

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