Re: [OpenBIOS] Re: uniFLASH, EEPROM vs. Flash

[alex dinovitser]

Thank you James for your information,

I have had a little bit of a dabble with linux, but I don't find such
user-friendly applications like under Window$. 
I can't even get GIMP to work for some reason.
> > I am interested in this as I would like to port my work to GNU
> > eventually. I am currently using Delphi.
>
> Hmmm, you might be more interested in tcl/tk. Fortunately, Cygwin also
> contains it. If you want to try tcl/tk get the excellent 'tcltutor'
> program.

Thanks for that idea, I will try tcltutor. Any good websites for
learning tcl/tk??

I was initially considering porting the code to GCC or something, and
then re-write the user interface from scratch. If Tcl/tk can make it
easier, that would be great.

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> For a total novice, get Slackware, it's much nicer for new users than
> Red Hat. I see people trying Red Hat, hating it, then trying Slackware
> and loving it.

Can you briefly tell me why???
What are the key differences?

I have tried Slackware (InfoMagic) back in late 1995, but didn't find
it very satisfying. Have they improved that much?

Why doesn't someone write windows95 clone for Linux, from
installation, to the user interface? Is it that hard to do?
User friendliness is just about the only thing Micro$oft have got
right I think, and that contribution should not be discarded, but
copied and further improved by Linux.

regards,

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[Stefan Klett]

Hi Alex,
Slackware of 95 is pretty old- maybe get a Debian 2.1 (priceworthy)
and have a look at www.kde.org :) (by the way -most up to date binaries
come as compiled for the new glibc2 (gnu c library) -so gimp should work
after an upgrade.....)

Cheers
    					Stefan
(sorry, missed the thread this is re to last posting of alex dinovitser )

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[Darran D. Rimron]

> > For a total novice, get Slackware, it's much nicer for new users than
> > Red Hat. I see people trying Red Hat, hating it, then trying Slackware
> > and loving it.
>
> Can you briefly tell me why???
> What are the key differences?

RPMs and FS layout (most applications that are pre-compiled are designed for
RedHat systems)

I'm the other way round on this one.... RedHat over Slackware (Debian over
RedHat mind you)
> I have tried Slackware (InfoMagic) back in late 1995, but didn't find
> it very satisfying. Have they improved that much?

IMHO, no.
> Why doesn't someone write windows95 clone for Linux, from
> installation, to the user interface? Is it that hard to do?
> User friendliness is just about the only thing Micro$oft have got
> right I think, and that contribution should not be discarded, but
> copied and further improved by Linux.

It's called QVWM if you want it - a window manager for X. Not seen anything
that even comes close otherwise. Nothing much installerwise.  RedHat5.2 has
the "nicest" installer I've ever seen for Linux mind you... now they fixed
it :-)

-Darran

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[James Oakley]

alex dinovitser wrote:
> I have had a little bit of a dabble with linux, but I don't find such
> user-friendly applications like under Window$.
> I can't even get GIMP to work for some reason.

It is confusing for win users, the way I see it though is that windows
looks easy to use at first, but really isn't. Unix looks hard to use,
has a bit of a learning curve, but is easy to use once you're used to
it. You can do a helluva lot more on a command line than you could with
80 mouse clicks.

The GIMP *will* work if you install Slackware, it is included in the
distribution.

Debian is also very nice but I still have some beefs with it. The
package manager should list available programs hierarchially instead of
giving you a giant list (I spent 2 hours going through it). They also
make a big deal out of kernel recompiles (which I do a lot of). Were it
not for those two things, Debian would be the one.

We should probably end this distribution discussion before it becomes an
advocacy war and focus on OpenBIOS issues. This is my last post on the
subject, try all of the distributions and stick with what's
comfortable... Watch out for Corel's upcoming one.
> Thanks for that idea, I will try tcltutor. Any good websites for
> learning tcl/tk??

www.tcltk.com is pretty good. A good book will get you very far in a
hurry though, check out the O'Reilly ones.
> Can you briefly tell me why???
> What are the key differences?

Low maintenance, doesn't try to look like windows, etc...

It i sup to the end user though, I prefer wading through configuration
files than clicking icons.
> Why doesn't someone write windows95 clone for Linux, from
> installation, to the user interface? Is it that hard to do?
> User friendliness is just about the only thing Micro$oft have got
> right I think, and that contribution should not be discarded, but
> copied and further improved by Linux.

You might want to try GNOME (www.gnome.org)

Slackware install is fairly painless though, read the docs, there will
be no surprises.