On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 05:21:42PM -0600, Martin L Roth wrote:
> Hi Luc,
> I haven't really followed what's been going on at flashrom due to some personal
> issues of my own, but my understanding, and note that I could be mistaken
> about some things, follows:
>
> There was a decision made to fork the original flashrom to flashrom-stable.
> My understanding is that Nico was leaving the flashrom fork to
> maintain flashrom-stable.
>
> At that point, in my opinion, Nico has somewhat divorced himself from
> the original
> flashrom project. I (in a probably naive fashion) wouldn't expect
> Ubuntu maintainers to go
> be complaining about how debian is run, for example. They have their
> own distro to
> maintain, so they can change what they want to be how they want in
> their own distro.
>
>
> As far as any issues between the two flashrom forks, I again haven't
> followed this, but
> it seems like there might have been continuing conflicts.
>
> Because of this, it doesn't seem *completely* unreasonable to remove
> the head of a
> competing fork from working on, commenting on, or having anything to
> do with the original
> fork. This can be (and was) decided by the leadership of the original fork.

"The leadership" being...

> There is no further discussion owed to you about this, whether you
> like it or not. If you
> want to work with Nico on the flashrom-stable fork, you're more than
> welcome to do so.

As someone who wrote a good chunk of the board_enable code, and spent
several years helping actual users flash bioses on their machines
directly, i am owed a complete and detailed explanation, especially when
"bullying" and "lying" is publicly and loudly claimed to have happened.

I also expect there to be more than one person deciding this.

> What you're not welcome to do is what you're doing now. Whether or not
> you like the
> decision that was made, you need to be respectful to other community
> members on the
> mailing list.
>
> In my opinion, the comments you are making towards Anastasia are, at
> the very least, close
> to violating the code of conduct. If it were up to me, I'd say that
> you had already crossed that
> line and that consequences of your behavior shouldn't be surprising if
> and/or when they
> occur.
>
> I can understand that you can feel upset about things that are
> happening in the communities,
> but knowing all of the people involved, I can assure you that these
> sorts of issues are not
> taken lightly, quickly, or without thought.
>
>
> Maybe consider that there *might* be reasons that further discussion
> about what's going on
> can't or shouldn't take place in the public. Think about what those
> reasons might be.  Again
> we're all part of the open source community, and would prefer to do
> things in the open, so
> if that's not happening, maybe there's a reason.

If such actions are taken publicly, and if such claims are made
publicly, about one of the people with the longest sustained
trackrecords of flashrom contributions, then the detailed reasoning for
and the quorum backing such actions needs to be public as well.

All i see is an ad hominem attack, aided by the abuse of admin access,
by one person, against one of the projects mainstays.

And there seems to be nothing but corporate affiliation, that allows
this to happen. A meritocracy this is not.

Luc Verhaegen.
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