I'm old fashion, believing that True Users are End Users. Business/nonBusiness people (dotCom/dotOrg, or neither). The Ideal model I use is the mobile phone: Who really cares what drives it, as long s it works. I have two Integrated Development Environments, IDE's: 1. PDC VIP nc; Visual Prolog non commercial and, 2. Cincom VWnc; VisualWorks non commercial. The first is primarily Declarative (non procedural leaning toward procedural). The mindset is radical "close". The second primarily Procedural (non Declarative leaning toward declarative). The mindset is radical "open". I am stuck with a choice of which "one" to choose. Neither is making it easier for me. Background: Neither actually requires an Operating System at all, the earlier Borland and Digitalk (mid to late 80's) releases ran well on early DOS. From my experience both could have run just as well (if not better) on 64k bit CP/M. Since they are both true OO IDE's and can perform everything a modern computer should, then I don't see the OS as doing any more than provide what you describe so well in you opening statement in Linuxbios.org:
Reinout Heek wrote: The most minimal Linux I heard of is the one being adapted to run instead of the bios (requires reflashing your bios) http://www.linuxbios.org/
Will boot in seconds
In fact once my StV IDE has booted (DOS3.10) I can even delete c:\dos and the command.com. Both Cincom and PDC (owners of the above tools) have hitched their respective wagons to either Windows or Linux or both and End Users are being led a merry techno-political dance.; no insult intended. They now service only their Primary Users, who are nearly all committed to either Linux or Windows; one and all Programmers Secondary or End User are left wondering whether years of development are going to end up as junk. I am now faced with all the uncertainty which a technical "civil war" i.e "open v Close" or as in Gullivers Travels "Big-enders v Small-enders", presents. If there is anybody (with an open/closed mind), who can speak with me on the matter (soberly and Rationally), then: I would be delighted to hear from him/her,them. Regards Justin
Justin Walsh wrote:
I'm old fashion, believing that True Users are End Users. Business/nonBusiness people (dotCom/dotOrg, or neither). The Ideal model I use is the mobile phone: Who really cares what drives it, as long s it works. I have two Integrated Development Environments, IDE's:
- PDC VIP nc; Visual Prolog non commercial and,
- Cincom VWnc; VisualWorks non commercial.
The first is primarily Declarative (non procedural leaning toward procedural). The mindset is radical "close". The second primarily Procedural (non Declarative leaning toward declarative). The mindset is radical "open". I am stuck with a choice of which "one" to choose. Neither is making it easier for me. Background: Neither actually requires an Operating System at all, the earlier Borland and Digitalk (mid to late 80's) releases ran well on early DOS. From my experience both could have run just as well (if not better) on 64k bit CP/M. Since they are both true OO IDE's and can perform everything a modern computer should, then I don't see the OS as doing any more than provide what you describe so well in you opening statement in Linuxbios.org:
Reinout Heek wrote: The most minimal Linux I heard of is the one being adapted to run instead of the bios (requires reflashing your bios) http://www.linuxbios.org/
Will boot in seconds
In fact once my StV IDE has booted (DOS3.10) I can even delete c:\dos and the command.com. Both Cincom and PDC (owners of the above tools) have hitched their respective wagons to either Windows or Linux or both and End Users are being led a merry techno-political dance.; no insult intended. They now service only their Primary Users, who are nearly all committed to either Linux or Windows; one and all Programmers Secondary or End User are left wondering whether years of development are going to end up as junk. I am now faced with all the uncertainty which a technical "civil war" i.e "open v Close" or as in Gullivers Travels "Big-enders v Small-enders", presents. If there is anybody (with an open/closed mind), who can speak with me on the matter (soberly and Rationally), then: I would be delighted to hear from him/her,them. Regards Justin
Linuxbios mailing list Linuxbios@clustermatic.org http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios
Dude, have you even played with the new tech, its all designed to be backwards compatible and the linux community are doing what the can to support windows apps and dos apps (Wine, DosBox, even got it booting win2k), can you say the same for MS? Open source is becoming the way, it makes it much easier to maintain/fix machines, why just the other day I had issues with my mail server and the pam_mysql module, so I downloaded the source, found the issue, fixed it and I was back in musniess within a couple of hours, normally you would have to request a patch from the developers, and who knows how long it would take, and if they would even listen to you. Also, you say you have borland stuff from the 80s, go get youself a copy of Kylix and Delphi, then you can develop for both operating systems at once and your problem goes away.
Working in a computer shop I once encountered a guy running Dos and he wanted to upgrade but refused to use windows, we had to tell hit to go away because if your running dos you have to be a complete idiot. LinuxBios is designed to overcome bios limitations, the motherboard manufactures are jumping at the oppotunity to do this as it saves them time and money developing a bios for every MB that they produce, and if they have problems, they contact the community.
"In fact once my StV IDE has booted (DOS3.10) I can even delete c:\dos and the command.com." Once linux has booted you can even delete everything, even though it is a stupid idea, you can ever partition the hdd and format without rebooting, which you cant do from dos. You are using dos as your operating system/launcher here, thats all the LinuxBios is, just smaller, smarter and much faster, you can make it boot whatever you want, even probarbly could make it launch dosbox and your dos dev environment.
Anyhow, feel free to flame me, this is just my opinion.
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