Replacement for console level access on ALPHAs
We currently run a set of systems that operator on DEC Alpha machines, these provide a console level access which we use to configure a machine remotely via the console port. Plans are afoot to migrate the systems running on the Alphas to PC (HP xw4100 machines), we will still however have the requirement to access and manage the machines when the main OS is down, select which kernel versions should be run etc. Based on what I have read about Linux Bios it seems it would be perfect for this task. Does anyone have any idea of the likelihood of the HP xw4100s motherboard being able to support LinuxBios. Many thanks Andy Pearce
crack open those HP machines, and see if they are a supported mobo. My guess is they are serverworks chipset, which means no good thing, as serverworks absolutely refuses to help with linuxbios. Or send an lspci and we can see. ron
ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> writes:
crack open those HP machines, and see if they are a supported mobo. My guess is they are serverworks chipset, which means no good thing, as serverworks absolutely refuses to help with linuxbios.
I would not say that serverworks is a lost cause. But it is quite true that no one has yet succeeded in getting traction while working with them.
Or send an lspci and we can see.
Given the number of heatsinks on important boards lspci tends to be a better way of recognizing high level chips. Eric
On 22 Jan 2004, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
I would not say that serverworks is a lost cause. But it is quite true that no one has yet succeeded in getting traction while working with them.
yes, but having had an nda for a year with them (2000-2001), and having had 0 help from them in that time, I am not hopeful. ron
ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> writes:
On 22 Jan 2004, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
I would not say that serverworks is a lost cause. But it is quite true that no one has yet succeeded in getting traction while working with them.
yes, but having had an nda for a year with them (2000-2001), and having had 0 help from them in that time, I am not hopeful.
I have seen a little more than that. Not quite enough to do a port yet but I have seen documentation. Eric
Here is the lspci listing for the HP machine, so are we talking hopeful or no hope ? Thanks Andy ====================================================================== # lspci -xxv 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2578 (rev 02) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Capabilities: [e4] #09 [2106] Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 3.0 00: 86 80 78 25 06 01 90 20 02 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 10: 08 00 00 e8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 e4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2579 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 64 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32 Memory behind bridge: f9000000-fa1fffff Prefetchable memory behind bridge: f0000000-f81fffff 00: 86 80 79 25 07 01 a0 00 02 00 04 06 00 40 01 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 20 f0 00 a0 22 20: 00 f9 10 fa 00 f0 10 f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 2440 [size=32] 00: 86 80 d2 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0c 00 00 80 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 41 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (Hub #2) (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5 I/O ports at 2460 [size=32] 00: 86 80 d4 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0c 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 61 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 02 00 00 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (Hub #3) (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 2480 [size=32] 00: 86 80 d7 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0c 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 81 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 03 00 00 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB EHCI Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11 Memory at f8500000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [58] #0a [20a0] 00: 86 80 dd 24 06 01 90 02 02 20 03 0c 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 50 f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0b 04 00 00 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB PCI Bridge (rev c2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=05, subordinate=05, sec-latency=64 I/O behind bridge: 00001000-00001fff Memory behind bridge: f8200000-f84fffff 00: 86 80 4e 24 07 01 80 00 c2 00 04 06 00 00 01 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 05 40 10 10 80 22 20: 20 f8 40 f8 f0 ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0 00: 86 80 d0 24 0f 01 80 02 02 00 01 06 00 00 80 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB ICH5 IDE (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at 24c0 [size=16] Memory at 20000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] 00: 86 80 db 24 07 00 88 02 02 8a 01 01 00 00 00 00 10: e1 24 00 00 01 28 00 00 e9 24 00 00 05 28 00 00 20: c1 24 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d1 (rev 02) (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 24f0 [size=8] I/O ports at 2808 [size=4] I/O ports at 24f8 [size=8] I/O ports at 280c [size=4] I/O ports at 24d0 [size=16] 00: 86 80 d1 24 05 00 a0 02 02 8f 01 01 00 00 00 00 10: f1 24 00 00 09 28 00 00 f9 24 00 00 0d 28 00 00 20: d1 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB AC'97 Audio (rev 02) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5 I/O ports at 2000 [size=256] I/O ports at 2400 [size=64] Memory at f8500400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] Memory at f8500600 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 00: 86 80 d5 24 07 00 90 02 02 00 01 04 00 00 00 00 10: 01 20 00 00 01 24 00 00 00 04 50 f8 00 06 50 f8 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 02 00 00 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18GL [Quadro4 380 XGL] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0169 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10 Memory at f9000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [44] AGP version 3.0 00: de 10 8b 01 07 00 b0 02 a2 00 00 03 00 40 00 00 10: 00 00 00 f9 08 00 00 f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 de 10 69 01 30: 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 05 01 05:02.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5782 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 5 Memory at f8420000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [50] Vital Product Data Capabilities: [58] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/3 Enable- 00: e4 14 96 16 06 01 b0 02 03 00 00 02 10 40 00 00 10: 04 00 42 f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 01 40 00 05:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0c) Subsystem: Intel Corp. EtherExpress PRO/100 S Desktop Adapter Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 66, IRQ 10 Memory at f8430000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] I/O ports at 1000 [size=64] Memory at f8400000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00: 86 80 29 12 07 01 90 02 0c 00 00 02 10 42 00 00 10: 00 00 43 f8 01 10 00 00 00 00 40 f8 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 86 80 40 00 30: 00 00 00 00 dc 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 08 38
-----Original Message----- From: ron minnich [mailto:rminnich@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:09 PM To: Eric W. Biederman Cc: Andy Pearce; linuxbios@clustermatic.org Subject: Re: Replacement for console level access on ALPHAs
On 22 Jan 2004, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
I would not say that serverworks is a lost cause. But it is quite true that no one has yet succeeded in getting traction while working with them.
yes, but having had an nda for a year with them (2000-2001), and having had 0 help from them in that time, I am not hopeful.
ron
Andy Pearce <andy.pearce@austrocontrol.at> writes:
Here is the lspci listing for the HP machine, so are we talking hopeful or no hope ?
Well it is some intel chipset so there is a possibility of things working. Eric
It looks to be a newer version of the chipset on the Supermicro P4DP6 or P4DPR or something (I hate Supermicro's naming conventions) using the 82801DB (ICH4) and 82801CA (ICH3). As I recall, Eric Beiderman had at least one of those working. Dig around in the freebios (Not freebios2) tree. Is there a huge difference between the 82801CA/DB/EB? At first glance, I see DDR400, AGP8X, and SATA. On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Andy Pearce wrote:
Here is the lspci listing for the HP machine, so are we talking hopeful or no hope ?
Thanks
Andy
====================================================================== # lspci -xxv 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2578 (rev 02) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Capabilities: [e4] #09 [2106] Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 3.0 00: 86 80 78 25 06 01 90 20 02 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 10: 08 00 00 e8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 e4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2579 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 64 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32 Memory behind bridge: f9000000-fa1fffff Prefetchable memory behind bridge: f0000000-f81fffff 00: 86 80 79 25 07 01 a0 00 02 00 04 06 00 40 01 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 20 f0 00 a0 22 20: 00 f9 10 fa 00 f0 10 f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 2440 [size=32] 00: 86 80 d2 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0c 00 00 80 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 41 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (Hub #2) (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5 I/O ports at 2460 [size=32] 00: 86 80 d4 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0c 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 61 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 02 00 00 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (Hub #3) (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 2480 [size=32] 00: 86 80 d7 24 05 00 80 02 02 00 03 0c 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 81 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 03 00 00 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB EHCI Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11 Memory at f8500000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [58] #0a [20a0] 00: 86 80 dd 24 06 01 90 02 02 20 03 0c 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 50 f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0b 04 00 00 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB PCI Bridge (rev c2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=05, subordinate=05, sec-latency=64 I/O behind bridge: 00001000-00001fff Memory behind bridge: f8200000-f84fffff 00: 86 80 4e 24 07 01 80 00 c2 00 04 06 00 00 01 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 05 40 10 10 80 22 20: 20 f8 40 f8 f0 ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0 00: 86 80 d0 24 0f 01 80 02 02 00 01 06 00 00 80 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB ICH5 IDE (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at <ignored> I/O ports at 24c0 [size=16] Memory at 20000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] 00: 86 80 db 24 07 00 88 02 02 8a 01 01 00 00 00 00 10: e1 24 00 00 01 28 00 00 e9 24 00 00 05 28 00 00 20: c1 24 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d1 (rev 02) (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 24f0 [size=8] I/O ports at 2808 [size=4] I/O ports at 24f8 [size=8] I/O ports at 280c [size=4] I/O ports at 24d0 [size=16] 00: 86 80 d1 24 05 00 a0 02 02 8f 01 01 00 00 00 00 10: f1 24 00 00 09 28 00 00 f9 24 00 00 0d 28 00 00 20: d1 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB AC'97 Audio (rev 02) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5 I/O ports at 2000 [size=256] I/O ports at 2400 [size=64] Memory at f8500400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] Memory at f8500600 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 00: 86 80 d5 24 07 00 90 02 02 00 01 04 00 00 00 00 10: 01 20 00 00 01 24 00 00 00 04 50 f8 00 06 50 f8 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 02 00 00 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18GL [Quadro4 380 XGL] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0169 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10 Memory at f9000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [44] AGP version 3.0 00: de 10 8b 01 07 00 b0 02 a2 00 00 03 00 40 00 00 10: 00 00 00 f9 08 00 00 f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 de 10 69 01 30: 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 05 01 05:02.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5782 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 5 Memory at f8420000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [50] Vital Product Data Capabilities: [58] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/3 Enable- 00: e4 14 96 16 06 01 b0 02 03 00 00 02 10 40 00 00 10: 04 00 42 f8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 00 00 00 3c 10 bf 12 30: 00 00 00 00 48 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 01 40 00 05:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0c) Subsystem: Intel Corp. EtherExpress PRO/100 S Desktop Adapter Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 66, IRQ 10 Memory at f8430000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] I/O ports at 1000 [size=64] Memory at f8400000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00: 86 80 29 12 07 01 90 02 0c 00 00 02 10 42 00 00 10: 00 00 43 f8 01 10 00 00 00 00 40 f8 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 86 80 40 00 30: 00 00 00 00 dc 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 08 38
-----Original Message----- From: ron minnich [mailto:rminnich@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:09 PM To: Eric W. Biederman Cc: Andy Pearce; linuxbios@clustermatic.org Subject: Re: Replacement for console level access on ALPHAs
On 22 Jan 2004, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
I would not say that serverworks is a lost cause. But it is quite true that no one has yet succeeded in getting traction while working with them.
yes, but having had an nda for a year with them (2000-2001), and having had 0 help from them in that time, I am not hopeful.
ron
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Andy Pearce wrote:
Here is the lspci listing for the HP machine, so are we talking hopeful or no hope ?
I see an ICH 5, and the numbers are so new I will take a guess: this will be a new port. If you want, see if you can find out what the chipset is -- note that lspci did not know, so it is really new. I don't have time to look it up at present. ron
ron minnich wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Andy Pearce wrote:
Here is the lspci listing for the HP machine, so are we talking hopeful or no hope ?
I see an ICH 5, and the numbers are so new I will take a guess: this will be a new port.
# lspci -xxv 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2578 (rev 02) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf 2578 = Intel 875P http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/252525.htm -Bari
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Bari Ari wrote:
# lspci -xxv 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2578 (rev 02) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 12bf
2578 = Intel 875P
http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/252525.htm
oh! Then it's possible. Sorry for my pessimism -- I was just at a vendor/DOE meeting where the subject of Intel came up, and their new "we don't tell anyone anything about E7xxx chips" policy was a matter of some long discussions. It leaves many of us unsure as to what to think. ron
Hi, I've been watching the list and saw the comment from Ron Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:28:43 -0700 (MST) From: Ron minnich rminnich@lanl.gov To: Jan Kok kok@surfbest.net "I think you're much better off with an adapter for compact flash. That's an open, widely used standard which has worked well for us." Can you explain this a bit, does it mean that its possible to some how redirect the rom from which the PC boots ? i.e. switch it to a CF adapter card ? Thanks Andy Pearce
On Monday 16 February 2004 7:12 am, Andy Pearce wrote:
Hi,
I've been watching the list and saw the comment from Ron
"I think you're much better off with an adapter for compact flash. That's an open, widely used standard which has worked well for us."
Can you explain this a bit, does it mean that its possible to some how redirect the rom from which the PC boots ? i.e. switch it to a CF adapter card ?
A CF adapter simply make the CF card appear to be an IDE device as far as the machien is concerned, therefore you use the CF the same way you'd otherwise use an IDE hard drive. You can get single and dual CF adapters, they can be set to master or slave; they simply plug into the standard IDE cable, or sometimes into the motherbard IDE header. As far as your machine is concerned, you simply have a rather low capacity hard drive (by today's standards). Regards, Antony. -- RTFM may be the appropriate reply, but please specify exactly which FM to R. Please reply to the list; please don't CC me.
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Andy Pearce wrote:
"I think you're much better off with an adapter for compact flash. That's an open, widely used standard which has worked well for us." Can you explain this a bit, does it mean that its possible to some how redirect the rom from which the PC boots ? i.e. switch it to a CF adapter card ?
you boot linuxbios from flash, but the linuxbios payload comes from CF. ron
Hi, So if I get this correct the rom has been flashed but it effectively has no kernel in it, this resides on the CF card. I guess this means that this card can then be switched to another machine and easily changed with another kernel to test changes. Am I anywhere near on the right lines yet ? Andy
-----Original Message----- From: ron minnich [mailto:rminnich@lanl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:58 AM To: Andy Pearce Cc: linuxbios@clustermatic.org Subject: Re: Use of compact flash
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Andy Pearce wrote:
"I think you're much better off with an adapter for compact flash. That's an open, widely used standard which has worked well for us." Can you explain this a bit, does it mean that its possible to some how redirect the rom from which the PC boots ? i.e. switch it to a CF adapter card ?
you boot linuxbios from flash, but the linuxbios payload comes from CF.
ron
On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 00:13, Andy Pearce wrote:
Hi,
So if I get this correct the rom has been flashed but it effectively has no kernel in it, this resides on the CF card. I guess this means that this card can then be switched to another machine and easily changed with another kernel to test changes. Am I anywhere near on the right lines yet ?
Yes, in this configuration, the card is just like an HD. Actually, you don't have to change the CF to change the kernel. You just "reinstall" the kernel like what you do with LILO or GRUB. Ollie
what's really nice on the iTuner is that the CF pops in the front. I can convert nodes from Plan 9 to Linux just by swapping CF cards. Really nice. ron
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 09:33:12PM -0700, ron minnich wrote:
what's really nice on the iTuner is that the CF pops in the front. I can convert nodes from Plan 9 to Linux just by swapping CF cards. Really nice.
Looking through my local paper's advertisements, I saw an interesting trend - the USB flash parts have become as cheap per MB as the Compact Flash parts. If this trend continues, replacing IDE with USB in the second stage could become a popular alternative. -Kevin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Kevin O'Connor "BTW, IMHO we need a FAQ for | | kevin@koconnor.net 'IMHO', 'FAQ', 'BTW', etc. !" | ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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