Hi Patrick,

That's good to hear, would there be change to "make menuconfig" with kconfiglib 

Thanks

Ranga

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:58 AM Patrick Georgi via coreboot <coreboot@coreboot.org> wrote:

Hi everybody,

Historically, coreboot avoided depending on python too much (we got rid of an entire python based configuration and build system, for example), with few minor exceptions.

The main reason has been that while python code is quick to slap together, it has demonstrated a penchant for breaking in all kinds of mysterious ways (python 2->3 really was just a slightly bigger instance of what's going on in python all the time), and its users demonstrate a disregard for their fellow developers as demonstrated by endless stack traces on trivial errors (or is the language too complicated to properly catch them all?)

While probably nice for one-off prototypes, long term maintenance is a concern: this project has over 20 years of history under its belt, with more to come.

That said, python makes its way back into the tree every now and then (typically as small snippets to compute and add hashes to binaries as needed by ARM SoCs). Uncanny, but typically not a big deal.

There are two bigger initiatives proposed that would significantly increase our python footprint:

1. Replacing Linux's kconfig with kconfiglib (https://review.coreboot.org/c/coreboot/+/48679)

2. Using pytest for end-to-end testing utilities (https://review.coreboot.org/c/coreboot/+/57869)

Compared to the "inject a hash value at a fixed location" scripts, these would probably be here to stay, and sufficiently integrated that everybody will have to deal with them.

People spending time working on python code when it has no chance to land isn't a good use of their time and we should avoid that in the project.

People spending time arguing that python shouldn't be used (to avoid the other outcome) even though the project's culture shifted and is now accepting Python isn't creating a great community for anybody.

To avoid these scenarios, could we possibly nail down the policy on python in coreboot?

Regards,

Patrick

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