Hi, If video isn't supported on a particular board, does this mean that video won't work at all? I could live with no video until after the Linux kernel initialized things, but I'm guessing that the card won't even be listed in the device table. Could someone explain this to me? Does this apply only to on-board video, or all add-on cards. Am I right in guessing that no add-on video cards are supported? Would it be possible to go into 16 bit mode temporarily to jump into the video ROM and initialize the card? Basically, I want a fast desktop (K8 maybe, the bus speeds seem to make it worth it) without a PC BIOS (I only use Linux, usually Gentoo). It looks like LinuxBIOS is mainly for headless clusters. The "Status" file on the web site looks painfully outdated, and the FAQ really needs some updates, and the mainboard directory in the source wasn't quite specific about what was supported either. I haven't gotten anything from this list in awhile, so please copy me directly as it would seem mail from the list isn't getting to me for some reason (possibly a problem at my end). Thanks, Evan Langlois
It's a bit sketchy at the time. Right now we can use ATi embedded devices (Rage XL) pretty well, some older stuff like on the SiS630, and EPIA whatever. But for newer stuff like GeForce cards, we have had to toggle some IORRs and stuff and run the VGABIOS after Linux is booted. From here, framebuffering can be used for console display and X can run fully accelerated in AGP8x with fast writes and side band addressing. This has only been tested by us on the Tyan S2885. On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Langlois Evan wrote:
Hi,
If video isn't supported on a particular board, does this mean that video won't work at all? I could live with no video until after the Linux kernel initialized things, but I'm guessing that the card won't even be listed in the device table.
Could someone explain this to me? Does this apply only to on-board video, or all add-on cards. Am I right in guessing that no add-on video cards are supported? Would it be possible to go into 16 bit mode temporarily to jump into the video ROM and initialize the card?
Basically, I want a fast desktop (K8 maybe, the bus speeds seem to make it worth it) without a PC BIOS (I only use Linux, usually Gentoo). It looks like LinuxBIOS is mainly for headless clusters. The "Status" file on the web site looks painfully outdated, and the FAQ really needs some updates, and the mainboard directory in the source wasn't quite specific about what was supported either.
I haven't gotten anything from this list in awhile, so please copy me directly as it would seem mail from the list isn't getting to me for some reason (possibly a problem at my end).
Thanks, Evan Langlois
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It's a bit sketchy at the time. Right now we can use ATi embedded devices (Rage XL) pretty well, some older stuff like on the SiS630, and EPIA whatever. But for newer stuff like GeForce cards, we have had to toggle some IORRs and stuff and run the VGABIOS after Linux is booted. From here, framebuffering can be used for console display and X can run fully accelerated in AGP8x with fast writes and side band addressing. This has only been tested by us on the Tyan S2885.
What are the chances of this working on the Tyan S2875S ? Possible with an ATI Radeon card instead of GeForce (assuming the same tricks work on both). http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigerk8ws.html And does booting from SATA work? I heard something about Tyan supporting LinuxBIOS - is it actually possible to order with LinuxBIOS pre-installed? I noticed there is a port80 LED on this board as well - which may help. Thanks, Evan
We haven't had any success with Radeon cards in LinuxBIOS in our lab, though Ollie Lho might have some more information on that for you. And yes, Tyan does support LinuxBIOS. Just ask YhLu what the best option is. He even has the LSI controller working on the newer Tyan boards, AFAIK. On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Langlois Evan wrote:
It's a bit sketchy at the time. Right now we can use ATi embedded devices (Rage XL) pretty well, some older stuff like on the SiS630, and EPIA whatever. But for newer stuff like GeForce cards, we have had to toggle some IORRs and stuff and run the VGABIOS after Linux is booted. From here, framebuffering can be used for console display and X can run fully accelerated in AGP8x with fast writes and side band addressing. This has only been tested by us on the Tyan S2885.
What are the chances of this working on the Tyan S2875S ? Possible with an ATI Radeon card instead of GeForce (assuming the same tricks work on both).
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigerk8ws.html
And does booting from SATA work?
I heard something about Tyan supporting LinuxBIOS - is it actually possible to order with LinuxBIOS pre-installed? I noticed there is a port80 LED on this board as well - which may help.
Thanks, Evan
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Hendricks David W. wrote:
We haven't had any success with Radeon cards in LinuxBIOS in our lab, though Ollie Lho might have some more information on that for you.
oops. I didn't realize we had trouble with them. oh well. ron
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Maybe that's why his domain name is "ddos" :) On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Joshua Wise wrote:
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The appropriate message headers showing me this are:
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Please fix this. joshua
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Maybe that's why his domain name is "ddos" :)
Its because of some bad integration between the mail server and an inhouse spam removal system. I'm going to rewrite it this weekend during our other upgrades.
I thought we did, I could be mistaken... I don't think I ever saw the Tyan Tachyon (Radeon 9800 Pro) come up in our lab, not even with the emulator. On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, ron minnich wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Hendricks David W. wrote:
We haven't had any success with Radeon cards in LinuxBIOS in our lab, though Ollie Lho might have some more information on that for you.
oops. I didn't realize we had trouble with them.
oh well.
ron
On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 14:07, Hendricks David W. wrote:
I thought we did, I could be mistaken... I don't think I ever saw the Tyan Tachyon (Radeon 9800 Pro) come up in our lab, not even with the emulator.
Last time I check, the ATI vgabios wanted to install int 0x10 handler and call into itself via int 0x10. The emulator can't do this yet. Ollie
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Li-Ta Lo wrote:
Last time I check, the ATI vgabios wanted to install int 0x10 handler and call into itself via int 0x10. The emulator can't do this yet.
Right, I had forgotten this problem. Silly VGA BIOS. ron
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Langlois Evan wrote:
What are the chances of this working on the Tyan S2875S ? Possible with an ATI Radeon card instead of GeForce (assuming the same tricks work on both).
It should work fine since the approach we take is 8086 emulation to support the bios.
And does booting from SATA work?
not tried.
I heard something about Tyan supporting LinuxBIOS - is it actually possible to order with LinuxBIOS pre-installed? I noticed there is a port80 LED on this board as well - which may help.
yes indeed. You can contact Charlie Ding (cding@tyan.com) who has been very helpful to linuxbios users. ron
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