LC2430 - laptop candidate for LinuxBIOS (Intel 845G)?
Maybe this will be a candidate for LinuxBIOS laptop: http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2430.html This laptop is probably produced by a Linux company (LC stands for Linux Certified I presume), so they might be interested in cooperation. It has been recently Debian certified. The chipsets are: http://www.linuxcertified.com/specs_lc2430.html Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G] Chipset Host Bridge There are some datasheets for this here: http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/845/ lspci optput is here: http://www.linuxcertified.com/test-reports/lc2430-report/debian-info.epl.htm... There has been one post on the LinuxBIOS list, from someone who says that he has done some Intel 845 work: http://www.clustermatic.org/pipermail/linuxbios/2002-September/000239.html -- JabberID:miernik@amessage.info
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Miernik wrote:
Maybe this will be a candidate for LinuxBIOS laptop:
I like it. I sure would like to find a company that want to work on this problem with us as partners. For anyone reading this list, our Big Goal this year is to get more companies involved in shipping systems running linuxbios out of the box. Laptops included. ron
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 05:28, ron minnich wrote:#
I like it. I sure would like to find a company that want to work on this problem with us as partners.
For anyone reading this list, our Big Goal this year is to get more companies involved in shipping systems running linuxbios out of the box. Laptops included.
Now that Linux (or BSD) friendly hardware is starting to appear, how far are we from getting a fully open BIOS which, instead of being designed for Windows and tolerant of Linux, is designed for Linux (and other open source) and tolerant of Windows? Is anything being done with Adam + Adam's ADLO? The latest news from the Etherboot front is a full on effort to add a PXE environment to make replacement for the buggy proprietary NIC roms. This is a big step towards open source something that hardware vendors can use.
On 12 Jan 2004, Peter Lister wrote:
Now that Linux (or BSD) friendly hardware is starting to appear, how far are we from getting a fully open BIOS which, instead of being designed for Windows and tolerant of Linux, is designed for Linux (and other open source) and tolerant of Windows?
not too far. Problem is getting company's interest up. We need more companies like Linux NetworX, Linux Labs, Tyan and so on out there.
Is anything being done with Adam + Adam's ADLO?
not sure.
Miernik wrote:
Maybe this will be a candidate for LinuxBIOS laptop: http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2430.html
This laptop is probably produced by a Linux company (LC stands for Linux Certified I presume), so they might be interested in cooperation. It has been recently Debian certified.
Cooperation would be nice... but they may not even know some of the details needed to get all the features working with LinuxBIOS. Laptops typically use a micro with lots of I/O to perform keyboard scan along with power management, battery charging, flashing the BIOS etc. Getting the specs. to make these features work is a problem since most laptop vendors don't design their own motherboards. -Bari
On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 18:38, Bari Ari wrote:
Cooperation would be nice... but they may not even know some of the details needed to get all the features working with LinuxBIOS.
Yes, but presumably a supplier who might handle a reasonable number of units is likelier to get a hearing from the upstream vendor than the average end user, especially if there is no intervening retail vendor who understands nothing but M$. Just out of interest, my laptop is a Clevo SiS unbranded, no Windows job. Winmodem doesn't work, as one might expect, and the sound card needs Linux ACPI support turned on, but other than that it's fine. Oh, and the VGA text mode is badly aligned when the framebuffer is working. But that's liveable with. Nothing else wrong, though. lspci attached. What are the chances??
Peter Lister wrote:
Yes, but presumably a supplier who might handle a reasonable number of units is likelier to get a hearing from the upstream vendor than the average end user, especially if there is no intervening retail vendor who understands nothing but M$.
Just out of interest, my laptop is a Clevo SiS unbranded, no Windows job. Winmodem doesn't work, as one might expect, and the sound card needs Linux ACPI support turned on, but other than that it's fine.
Oh, and the VGA text mode is badly aligned when the framebuffer is working. But that's liveable with. Nothing else wrong, though.
lspci attached. What are the chances??
The SiS 650 chipset was never supported by LinuxBIOS. SiS also dropped interest in LinuxBIOS last year. A laptop that uses any of the currently supported chipsets or any chipsets by Intel or AMD won't be a problem (since they openly post docs for their chipsets) to support under LinuxBIOS except for the issues with the keyboard scan micros that are also used for power management, battery charging, BIOS Flashing etc. Laptops typically use I/O on these micros to control writes to the flash. You may need to know the "magic code" or at least the register locations in the micro to turn on BIOS Flash write enables. We did some work before on creating open firmware for these devices. Some examples of cpu based super i/o's: http://www.renesas.com/eng/products/mpumcu/16bit/h8s/2100/index.html Some descriptions of the closed source firmware and how they use these micros: http://www.insydesw.com/solutions/pc/keyboard.htm http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/phoenix+cme+firstbios/system+firmware/tec... -Bari
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Bari Ari wrote:
The SiS 650 chipset was never supported by LinuxBIOS. SiS also dropped interest in LinuxBIOS last year.
:=( But, Ollie works here now ... :=) ron
On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 21:27, ron minnich wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Bari Ari wrote:
The SiS 650 chipset was never supported by LinuxBIOS. SiS also dropped interest in LinuxBIOS last year.
:=(
But, Ollie works here now ... :=)
But the problem is I can't do anything without the register spec acquired leaglly. Ollie
Surely there must be someone at SiS you can blackmail into giving you the spec sheet "legally." On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Li-Ta Lo wrote:
On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 21:27, ron minnich wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Bari Ari wrote:
The SiS 650 chipset was never supported by LinuxBIOS. SiS also dropped interest in LinuxBIOS last year.
:=(
But, Ollie works here now ... :=)
But the problem is I can't do anything without the register spec acquired leaglly.
Ollie
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how easy/hard is it to get the flash part? ron
Peter Lister wrote:
Just out of interest, my laptop is a Clevo SiS unbranded, no Windows job. Winmodem doesn't work, as one might expect,
Have you looked at http://linmodems.org/ for Linux support for the Winmodem? -Bari
IIRC, SuSE also offers pretty extensive winmodem support in their distributions. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Bari Ari wrote:
Peter Lister wrote:
Just out of interest, my laptop is a Clevo SiS unbranded, no Windows job. Winmodem doesn't work, as one might expect,
Have you looked at http://linmodems.org/ for Linux support for the Winmodem?
-Bari
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On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 05:56, Bari Ari wrote:
Have you looked at http://linmodems.org/ for Linux support for the Winmodem?
Yes - can't see any support for the SiS I have a pcmcia modem which works, and don't dial up much anyway, so I didn't expect it to work and don't really care.
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